Irish Promotions Thread Please read post 1 (*Mod Warning Post #3947)

To be fair, at the time being involved in the scene AWR just seemed like something so distant (like a promotion catching on big in the US/UK, you’d be like ‘oh cool’ and carry on with your own day to day stuff). It sounded really cool that they were working huge houses across Europe, but it wasn’t something anyone I knew was desperate to get involved in. I feel I hear more about it now when I’m not particularly involved, through stories from lads about it on Twitter/podcasts etc, than when I was. So I wouldn’t say many were desperate to get in at the time, that’s not my recollection. I know myself I’d have probably gone out of my way to work with FFPW than AWR if I wanted to work elsewhere, just because it felt actually accessible and within reach. I wouldn’t have even had a clue how to go about getting in with AWR. They didn’t advertise much and weren’t very public because they didn’t need to be with their model.

I also wouldn’t say that lads are sorry they didn’t get involved because it’s costing them OTT bookings now. OTT use people from everywhere now, they have to because they put out so much stuff with Contenders, Belfast etc, I doubt grudges even come into it because they’ve got a business to run and need bodies. So if someone isn’t getting used there it’s likely because they don’t fit their current vision (I know even with my own line of work, which is different but not dissimilar in many aspects, if I don’t use someone it’s more because I don’t see how I’d fit them in current plans than thinking something negative about them) or lads aren’t that pushed themselves to go through the necessary steps to get used. The scene has grown up a lot in recent years and gotten much better for it, there’s MUCH less of that petty stuff going around anymore.

B.A._Baracus

brianblaze wrote: »

I'd imagine a few are annoyed they didn't jump on the AWR wagon when they had a chance

And Manson got in shape when he went full time, not towards the end of his career. Still one of the funniest wrestler's I've seen

People were always trying to get booked on American Wrestling Rampage once it first started.
Sure you could start your very own wrestling promotion tomorrow and and a lot of the lads would be emailing you for a booking. Why shouldn't they

But with AWR bringing over so many names everyone wanted to get a booking more so.
So it really wasn't a case of people of failing to jump on it.... So many tried to get a booking just so many didn't.

showpony1 wrote: »

Did you give someone a snug handshake backstage brother?

:pac:
But people just get burned out. Even Daniel Bryan said himself in a shoot interview / in the ring video years ago. He was talking about the progression aspect tho.
You wrestle for a few years.... still wrestling in the same promotion.... same country etc. You just get burned out.

showpony1

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

some get tired of the environment as sadly there is a lot of negatives in wrestling (people being two faced, ass kissing, politics, promoters stirring sh*t etc).

Did you give someone a snug handshake backstage brother?

I'd imagine a few are annoyed they didn't jump on the AWR wagon when they had a chance

And Manson got in shape when he went full time, not towards the end of his career. Still one of the funniest wrestler's I've seen

B.A._Baracus

brianblaze wrote: »

That's such a shame. Dude got in shape, looked the part, worked well and was hilarious. He'd flourish now I reckon.

Also sad that Red Vinny didn't last til now as well. All the original IWW guys who had talent kind of tapered out at just the wrong time

It is gas about Manson alright. To give the chap credit he really got in shape towards the end of his career. You could argue perhaps where he would have gotten if he was in good shape 10 years ago. Wrestling is a cosmetic industry as they say.

It's weird to look back 10 to 15 years ago and see how many guys from IWW, CPW etc just fizzled out. But guys just become burned out. For various reasons.
Some just get sick of wrestling on the lower indy promotions (lack of progression), some get tired of the environment as sadly there is a lot of negatives in wrestling (people being two faced, ass kissing, politics, promoters stirring sh*t etc) to guys just training and not getting booked.

brianblaze wrote: »

That's such a shame. Dude got in shape, looked the part, worked well and was hilarious. He'd flourish now I reckon.

Also sad that Red Vinny didn't last til now as well. All the original IWW guys who had talent kind of tapered out at just the wrong time

To be fair, I'd look at it more like they had their time and can always say they were part of the first boom of wrestling in Ireland, now the next generation are getting their shot at the spotlight. There are so many people in the scene already fighting for limited spots, it'd get even more clogged if people who'd already had a 'moment' were taking top spots.

What I'd say could be better (though it's nobody in particular's responsibility and that's part of why) is tapping into that history that's there. People should feel a lot more nostalgic for the likes of the Ballymun Bruiser, Vic Viper and Bingo Ballance who are still wrestling and have a list of accomplishments to rival anyone on the scene today, they're big deals but nobody is really telling that story. For example: Vic fought Christopher Daniels in a great match in the main event of a big, sold out show, Bruiser had a high profile match with Doug Williams in his prime, Ballance beat Neville in another sold out show to become the first IwW Zero Gravity Champion. Promoters could make something of that and make money with these guys if they wanted to.

That's such a shame. Dude got in shape, looked the part, worked well and was hilarious. He'd flourish now I reckon.

Also sad that Red Vinny didn't last til now as well. All the original IWW guys who had talent kind of tapered out at just the wrong time

Manson is officially retired and only does the odd spot, I think basically to hang out with his mates every now and then. I’d love him on OTT though, the thoughts of him and Angel Cruz working together...

Why doesn't Mad Man Manson appear in OTT?

brianblaze wrote: »

AMA Request: Justy

That might be able to be arranged, leave it with me...

AMA Request: Justy

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

To chime in...
You don't get told you're not needed anymore for calling out some abusive fans.

He got thrown out of OTT for more than that. There is a reason beyond that.
Look has anyone ever met the chap? The words obnoxious and loud mouthed come to mind.
He is the type of bloke where if you are in a crowded room sitting in the corner talking to your mates you'd know he is there.

I’m biting my tongue reading all this but that is totally unfair. Justy is one of an extremely select few lads I’ve met in wrestling who pretty much everyone involved in the scene knows and likes. To the point that even OTT talent with cushy gigs they don’t want to mess with have stuck their neck out for him in public saying they miss him and would like him back one day. That kinda stuff just doesn’t happen and yet it has which is a testament to the guy’s popularity among his peers, so your representation of him is just false.

The two had a falling out, a personality clash. There’s no good or bad guy here, no ‘sides’ to pick, it’s not a wrestling storyline like. It’s Joe’s promotion and he can use or not use whoever he wants. Justy took it on the chin and was pretty amicable about the whole thing despite the fact he absolutely loved that gig. That’s all there is to it.

B.A._Baracus

To chime in...
You don't get told you're not needed anymore for calling out some abusive fans.

He got thrown out of OTT for more than that. There is a reason beyond that.
Look has anyone ever met the chap? The words obnoxious and loud mouthed come to mind.
He is the type of bloke where if you are in a crowded room sitting in the corner talking to your mates you'd know he is there.

diusmr8a504cvk

LeeJM wrote: »

Not my place to talk about it. If those involved want the story told they will tell it. Like everything in wrestling there is 3 sides to the story the OTT side, the Justy side and the truth somewhere in between. Thats not to say they won't ever work together again because I don't think there is any ill will involved in either side. Just sometimes people have a difference of opinion and the best course of action is to split

You can tell me Lee, nobody will know except for me and everyone I tell.

LeeJM

showpony1 wrote: »

tell us what happened then?

Not my place to talk about it. If those involved want the story told they will tell it. Like everything in wrestling there is 3 sides to the story the OTT side, the Justy side and the truth somewhere in between. Thats not to say they won't ever work together again because I don't think there is any ill will involved in either side. Just sometimes people have a difference of opinion and the best course of action is to split

showpony1

LeeJM wrote: »

It had nothing to do with that

tell us what happened then?

SquidLad

LeeJM wrote: »

It had nothing to do with that

Fair enough, if you say so. Perhaps I assumed too much from this tweet?

diusmr8a504cvk

Not the biggest fan of women's wrestling but that Defiant show looks pretty good. If I lived in Dublin I'd go.

LeeJM

SquidLad wrote: »

It was something to do with calling out those fans who always chanted sexist/homophobic stuff in The Tivoli. The ones that Don Marnell went off on at the 3rd anniversary show.

It had nothing to do with that

SquidLad

sky88 wrote: »

how did he call them out. those fans were always the same guys and honestly needed calling out on that kind of crap.

I think it was in a tweet that is now deleted. The whole situation is pretty scummy to me and is something I definitely hold against Cabray as a person. He basically sacked someone for doing the right thing. And his actions are made even worse by the fact that he sent Marnell out to shut those fans down at the very next show. So he knew there was a problem, did nothing about it, fired the person who did try to do something and only reluctantly put his foot down when the whole situation blew up on Twitter.

sky88

how did he call them out. those fans were always the same guys and honestly needed calling out on that kind of crap.

SquidLad

Wesley Red Zipper wrote: »

Just came here to post that tweet about Justy, would love to know the ins and outs of what happened.

It was something to do with calling out those fans who always chanted sexist/homophobic stuff in The Tivoli. The ones that Don Marnell went off on at the 3rd anniversary show.

diusmr8a504cvk

Just came here to post that tweet about Justy, would love to know the ins and outs of what happened.

showpony1

montyrebel wrote: »

@luther_ward on twitter just finished a question and answer session, decent way to kill 5 mins

interesting points;

Justy was let go due to not adhering to "code of conduct"
Tivoli isn't going possibly until mid-2019 but they are still going to use the Suir road GAA hall for most shows it seems, pretty disappointing.
"I cannot keep pushing people with little work ethic, tried it many times and failed" - who do you think this was from OTT?

montyrebel

@luther_ward on twitter just finished a question and answer session, decent way to kill 5 mins

Scotty Davis so!

Sirsok wrote: »

Thanks Omack, so Devlin is OTT champ, the tourney for NLW champ was announced via their most recent facebook video, participants announced on March 18th.

Just seeing the (empty) bracket there now myself. Looks like it'll be a secondary/development championship as it's being associated heavily with the Contenders show.

Thanks Omack, so Devlin is OTT champ, the tourney for NLW champ was announced via their most recent facebook video, participants announced on March 18th.

Sirsok wrote: »

I see OTT are saying they are going to address the NLW title situation with the tourney....what exactly is the situation? Is Devlin not champ?

It hasn't been call the NLW Title since the start of February. They introduced the OTT Heavyweight Championship at the last show in place of the NLW one. Either they're doing a gimmick around that a la ECW/NWA or they've got their wires crossed regarding their own branding. Where are you seeing this?