Fred Swanson wrote: » What are the keep lot going to do when they lose?
Damien360 wrote: » I stand corrected. Delighted. Will that go to the wording in referendum ?
Bonniedog wrote: » I wonder what Gandalf's view is on their theocratic buddy Dr. Selim proposing that Irish hospitals legally carry out the torture and mutilation of little girls? Left was curiously silent on that.
Fred Swanson wrote: » It is not smugness. We are organising the troops well and will be joined by thousands home to vote.
Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancy
Oldtree wrote: » Damien360 wrote: » 12 week limit will not cater for those who find out at 20 weeks when a first scan is done, that their child is not viable. And therefore these women will still have to travel to UK. That's just wrong. The policy paper published by the government on 8th March says different Policy 9: That termination of pregnancy for a fetal condition likely to lead to death before or shortly after birth or for maternal health should not have a gestational limit in the General Scheme. http://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Policy-paper-approved-by-Goverment-8-March-2018.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjeu6eDvOTZAhVBB8AKHSJvAoAQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1gOSv1xXvn_MuqY1WHQlJz
Damien360 wrote: » 12 week limit will not cater for those who find out at 20 weeks when a first scan is done, that their child is not viable. And therefore these women will still have to travel to UK. That's just wrong.
Policy 9: That termination of pregnancy for a fetal condition likely to lead to death before or shortly after birth or for maternal health should not have a gestational limit in the General Scheme.
Bonniedog wrote: » Majority in Leinster House has already voted for 12 weeks limit, so that will be bottom line in legislation. You seem to forget that reason for repeal was to do with risk to mother's life, and in particular one case that the report into it showed that it had to do with hospital procedures, nothing whatsoever to do with "Catholic ethos" or refusing the poor woman any option. Whole debate now is about up to what stage abortion on demand will be permitted. They could at least be honest about it. If that's what people vote for then fair enough.
Nettle Soup wrote: » Yes but I imagine at least 50% of those are embarrassed they voted No. They did it because they believed idiotic spin and fear-mongering from religious organisations. The world kept turning after the vote. In fact it became a happier place. .
Bonniedog wrote: » pitifulgod wrote: » Thing is, that's not we're voting. We're voting to allow the government to legislate. Rather than having to handle the most minute details in the constitution which has resulted in multiple references to date. Majority in Leinster House has already voted for 12 weeks limit, so that will be bottom line in legislation. You seem to forget that reason for repeal was to do with risk to mother's life, and in particular one case that the report into it showed that it had to do with hospital procedures, nothing whatsoever to do with "Catholic ethos" or refusing the poor woman any option. Whole debate now is about up to what stage abortion on demand will be permitted. They could at least be honest about it. If that's what people vote for then fair enough.
pitifulgod wrote: » Thing is, that's not we're voting. We're voting to allow the government to legislate. Rather than having to handle the most minute details in the constitution which has resulted in multiple references to date.
splinter65 wrote: » This kind of cocky smugness is great news for the save the 8th campaign. Keep it up Fred you’re playing a blinder!
Ismisejack wrote: » Wow never came across such a snob in my relatively short life, well I’m 22 so I’ll be able vote against repeal for a long time yet! How u like that?! There’s is nothing backwards about being anti abortion it’s indeed progressive as there is much more progressive ways of dealing with crisis pregnancies than child murdering. When referendum day comes and the eighth is retained I can’t wait to see the face on snobs like you
Fred Swanson wrote: » What are the keep lot going to do when they lose? Their faces should be a picture worthy of the Louvre.
January wrote: » That's actually not the message that Coalition to Repeal the 8th Amendment, the Abortion Rights Campaign and many other large pro-choice organisations are spreading, in fact, it's the opposite. I've had many men over the past week or so tell me they feel they shouldn't vote because it has nothing to do with them. Which isn't true! They have an important role to play in the run up to the referendum and if they want their wife's, mother's, daughter's, cousins', aunts etc to have bodily autonomy then they will need to get out and vote on referendum day to make sure that happens.
gandalf wrote: » The thing is we know that the older generation will get out and vote. What is imperative to repeal the 8th is to ensure that the younger voters get out in numbers to push this over the line. All we have to do is look at our neighbours and see what the older generation have done to the youth of their country, long after these regressives are in their graves those left behind will be paying the price for their empire folly. I look forward to us pulling ourselves further away from our theocratic past and into a true pluralistic society. Let's ensure these minority of backward dinosaurs don't continue to dictate the direction of our society.
Edward M wrote: » You don't see any difference between failed contraception and rape!?
Oldtree wrote: » So no then you can't link.
average_runner wrote: » Go thru the thread yourself. Not doing your work.
January wrote: » You're forgetting that a lot of the procedures that hospitals in Ireland have are due to the fact that they have a Catholic ethos still in place.
