average_runner wrote: » Go thru the thread yourself. Not doing your work. Repel need to play it wisely, play on the sympathy side, your target could be the father's of young daughters.
average_runner wrote: » For the repel to win, they need to change their message. They are alienating the men vote which is a silly thing to do. Saw messages saying men shouldn't vote on it.
January wrote: » That's actually not the message that Coalition to Repeal the 8th Amendment, the Abortion Rights Campaign and many other large pro-choice organisations are spreading, in fact, it's the opposite. I've had many men over the past week or so tell me they feel they shouldn't vote because it has nothing to do with them. Which isn't true! They have an important role to play in the run up to the referendum and if they want their wife's, mother's, daughter's, cousins', aunts etc to have bodily autonomy then they will need to get out and vote on referendum day to make sure that happens.
Cally Caleigh wrote: » Are there any statistics available for some of the arguments being put forward such as, 1. What % of pregnancies in the Republic of Ireland result in a fatal fetal abnormality? 2. What % of pregnancies in the Republic of Ireland result in a serious threat to the mother's life? (e.g. where the mother will die if the pregnancy is not terminated). 3. What % of abortions in the UK (our closest neighbour where abortion is legal and Irish women travel to for abortion) are carried out to terminate a pregnancy with fatal fetal abnormality or where the mother's life is in danger? Asking sincerely by the way, I do not know the answers to above questions but feel they are important personally in deciding which way to vote.
amdublin wrote: » Do they really matter? Is it really any business of yours why any woman chooses to have an abortion. What are the factors that are important for you in deciding whether each woman has to make her own personal decision in whether she continues with a pregnancy or not? Why are they a factor? Like does it matter if for example 10% of Irish women abortions are due to failed contraception? What does it matter if 10% are from rape. Is there any difference between the two?
Edward M wrote: » You don't see any difference between failed contraception and rape!?
gandalf wrote: » My opinion is that as a man I shouldn't have a veto on whether a woman has full bodily autonomy but I can vote to ensure that veto is removed. That is why I am voting to repeal the eight. Do I believe abortion is right, no I don't but I recognise that life is not black and white and individuals should have as much control over their destiny as possible. They should have a choice, they should have the headspace to discuss their options without being shamed or labelled as murderers.
pitifulgod wrote: » Thing is, that's not we're voting. We're voting to allow the government to legislate. Rather than having to handle the most minute details in the constitution which has resulted in multiple references to date.
Bonniedog wrote: » Majority in Leinster House has already voted for 12 weeks limit, so that will be bottom line in legislation. You seem to forget that reason for repeal was to do with risk to mother's life, and in particular one case that the report into it showed that it had to do with hospital procedures, nothing whatsoever to do with "Catholic ethos" or refusing the poor woman any option. Whole debate now is about up to what stage abortion on demand will be permitted. They could at least be honest about it. If that's what people vote for then fair enough.
January wrote: » You're forgetting that a lot of the procedures that hospitals in Ireland have are due to the fact that they have a Catholic ethos still in place.
average_runner wrote: » Go thru the thread yourself. Not doing your work.
Oldtree wrote: » So no then you can't link.
gandalf wrote: » The thing is we know that the older generation will get out and vote. What is imperative to repeal the 8th is to ensure that the younger voters get out in numbers to push this over the line. All we have to do is look at our neighbours and see what the older generation have done to the youth of their country, long after these regressives are in their graves those left behind will be paying the price for their empire folly. I look forward to us pulling ourselves further away from our theocratic past and into a true pluralistic society. Let's ensure these minority of backward dinosaurs don't continue to dictate the direction of our society.
Ismisejack wrote: » Wow never came across such a snob in my relatively short life, well I’m 22 so I’ll be able vote against repeal for a long time yet! How u like that?! There’s is nothing backwards about being anti abortion it’s indeed progressive as there is much more progressive ways of dealing with crisis pregnancies than child murdering. When referendum day comes and the eighth is retained I can’t wait to see the face on snobs like you
Fred Swanson wrote: » What are the keep lot going to do when they lose? Their faces should be a picture worthy of the Louvre.
splinter65 wrote: » This kind of cocky smugness is great news for the save the 8th campaign. Keep it up Fred you’re playing a blinder!
Bonniedog wrote: » pitifulgod wrote: » Thing is, that's not we're voting. We're voting to allow the government to legislate. Rather than having to handle the most minute details in the constitution which has resulted in multiple references to date. Majority in Leinster House has already voted for 12 weeks limit, so that will be bottom line in legislation. You seem to forget that reason for repeal was to do with risk to mother's life, and in particular one case that the report into it showed that it had to do with hospital procedures, nothing whatsoever to do with "Catholic ethos" or refusing the poor woman any option. Whole debate now is about up to what stage abortion on demand will be permitted. They could at least be honest about it. If that's what people vote for then fair enough.
Nettle Soup wrote: » Yes but I imagine at least 50% of those are embarrassed they voted No. They did it because they believed idiotic spin and fear-mongering from religious organisations. The world kept turning after the vote. In fact it became a happier place. .
Damien360 wrote: » 12 week limit will not cater for those who find out at 20 weeks when a first scan is done, that their child is not viable. And therefore these women will still have to travel to UK. That's just wrong.
Bonniedog wrote: » I wonder what Gandalf's view is on their theocratic buddy Dr. Selim proposing that Irish hospitals legally carry out the torture and mutilation of little girls? Left was curiously silent on that.
