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The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

RobertKK

The citizens assembly voted to replace or amend the 8th amendment.

50% voted to replace or amend
44% voted to repeal
Rest preferred to not state an opinion

Now deciding how it will be replaced or amended
: Let the Dail legislate on the rights of the unborn
: Amend the provision in the constitution.

Meltdown on twitter by Repealthe8th people.

Mod- This thread has descended in to petty name calling. We've tried to let this thread run without too much mod interference but now it's on our radar we will be watching. From here on the name calling stops. If you can't debate civilly we will remove your right to post.

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amdublin

paw patrol wrote: »

i passed the march on oConnell STreet and I disagree with your synopsis of the make-up - I'm not saying those people didn't exist , they did. But it was quite a varied selection of people..

Guess since we both aren't lying , it proves it was a big march and we saw different sections.

Lol. Umm no.

paw patrol

amdublin wrote: »

Yeah I am just basing it what I saw...a lot of priests and nuns, a lot of people carrying signs indicating they were part of a religions associations/group, and some statues (effigies??) I saw being carried.

Strangely enough I also heard some (would I go as far as saying a lot?) of American accents. I am thinking they don't have the vote too hopefully.

i passed the march on oConnell STreet and I disagree with your synopsis of the make-up - I'm not saying those people didn't exist , they did. But it was quite a varied selection of people..

Guess since we both aren't lying , it proves it was a big march and we saw different sections.

Nettle Soup

eviltwin wrote: »

I was in town yesterday. What stuck me was the age profile of those on the march, most I saw were over 65.
The age profile on the March for Choice was the opposite, mostly under 40.

I don't know how things will go in May but even if the referendum is defeated it's just a matter of time before we have abortion here. It's deluded to think otherwise.

Yep I think you are spot on. Again its an aging Roman church influence.

_Dara_

eviltwin wrote: »

I was in town yesterday. What stuck me was the age profile of those on the march, most I saw were over 65.
The age profile on the March for Choice was the opposite, mostly under 40.

I don't know how things will go in May but even if the referendum is defeated it's just a matter of time before we have abortion here. It's deluded to think otherwise.

Makes me think it will be very close this time around. Over 65s are among the best age groups for voting. But it makes me hopeful for the future.

I hope the MarRef results don’t make people complacent. This is a more contentious issue.

amdublin

paw patrol wrote: »

secondly that catholic church stuff is bull**** , many people who are pro life aren't involved in the church. Some are. Many aren't.
The Catholics did it mantra it is a nonsensical as the Russians did it regarding Trumps election.

Yeah I am just basing it what I saw...a lot of priests and nuns, a lot of people carrying signs indicating they were part of a religions associations/group, and some statues (effigies??) I saw being carried.

Strangely enough I also heard some (would I go as far as saying a lot?) of American accents. I am thinking they don't have the vote too hopefully.

eviltwin

I was in town yesterday. What stuck me was the age profile of those on the march, most I saw were over 65.
The age profile on the March for Choice was the opposite, mostly under 40.

I don't know how things will go in May but even if the referendum is defeated it's just a matter of time before we have abortion here. It's deluded to think otherwise.

amdublin

_Dara_ wrote: »

I’m not sure I’m comfortable with whole campuses being declared as one thing or another. I say that as a pro-choicer. Nobody on any campus should feel they have to suppress their views if it’s not seen as the “campus view.”

Reminds me of a class rep we had in college who sent an email to the entire class admonishing them for the poor turnout from the class at some protest or other. She actually said she was ashamed of us. The next day, she wrote a grovelling apology email so I’d say she had a full inbox of emails telling her where to go.

I hear you. I think it's fine "declaring" as in, we had a vote and the majority voted pro-choice.
But there should still be the place for everyone to express their views, without suppression.

Oldtree

amdublin wrote: »

It's far from over yet.

It was a positive for the repeal side that there was a lower than expected turnout yesterday. I would say that even the 15000 number is being generous - but hey what do I know I just live near Parnell and see all of the marches that start out from there. It is also a positive for the pro-choicers that so many in attendance yesterday are small children who don't have vote.

Indications from a lot of the colleges and universities around Ireland are that they are pro-choice campuses. The repeal side really need all those students to come #hometovote

Those marches however still show how tight of a grip the Catholic church still has over a lot of the country people that they could rustle up 15000 on to the coaches and up to Dublin

I'm not suggesting for one minute that anyone become complacent about a referendum, because of a poor turnout at an organised March.

Anyone that does not vote or does nothing, acquiesces to, and are not innocent of, the result of the upcoming referendum.

_Dara_

amdublin wrote: »

It's far from over yet.

It was a positive for the repeal side that there was a lower than expected turnout yesterday. I would say that even the 15000 number is being generous - but hey what do I know I just live near Parnell and see all of the marches that start out from there.
It is also a positive for the pro-choicers that so many in attendance yesterday are small children who don't have vote.

Indications from a lot of the colleges and universities around Ireland are that they are pro-choice campuses. The repeal side really need all those students to come #hometovote

Those marches however still show how tight of a grip the Catholic church still has over a lot of the country people that they could rustle up 15000 on to the coaches and up to Dublin

I’m not sure I’m comfortable with whole campuses being declared as one thing or another. I say that as a pro-choicer. Nobody on any campus should feel they have to suppress their views if it’s not seen as the “campus view.”

Reminds me of a class rep we had in college who sent an email to the entire class admonishing them for the poor turnout from the class at some protest or other. She actually said she was ashamed of us. The next day, she wrote a grovelling apology email so I’d say she had a full inbox of emails telling her where to go.

Sofiztikated

paw patrol wrote: »

there were a lot more less than 15000 there.
anyone who says otherwise is lying or has a bias.

Works both ways.

paw patrol

amdublin wrote: »

It's far from over yet.

It was a positive for the repeal side that there was a lower than expected turnout yesterday. I would say that even the 15000 number is being generous - but hey what do I know I just live near Parnell and see all of the marches that start out from there.
It is also a positive for the pro-choicers that so many in attendance yesterday are small children who don't have vote.

Indications from a lot of the colleges and universities around Ireland are that they are pro-choice campuses. The repeal side really need all those students to come #hometovote

Those marches however still show how tight of a grip the Catholic church still has over a lot of the country people that they could rustle up 15000 on to the coaches and up to Dublin

there were a lot more than 15000 there.
anyone who says otherwise is lying or has a bias.

secondly that catholic church stuff is bull**** , many people who are pro life aren't involved in the church. Some are. Many aren't.
The Catholics did it mantra it is a nonsensical as the Russians did it regarding Trumps election.

Nettle Soup

circadian wrote: »

100,000 people. Catch yourselves on, that's a ridiculous statement.

There is no way Ireland has that many busy bodies?

amdublin

It's far from over yet.

It was a positive for the repeal side that there was a lower than expected turnout yesterday. I would say that even the 15000 number is being generous - but hey what do I know I just live near Parnell and see all of the marches that start out from there.
It is also a positive for the pro-choicers that so many in attendance yesterday are small children who don't have vote.

Indications from a lot of the colleges and universities around Ireland are that they are pro-choice campuses. The repeal side really need all those students to come #hometovote

Those marches however still show how tight of a grip the Catholic church still has over a lot of the country people that they could rustle up 15000 on to the coaches and up to Dublin

Oldtree

circadian wrote: »

100,000 people. Catch yourselves on, that's a ridiculous statement.

It smacks of desperation, having seen in reality that the expected public support is not there for a particular belief. A desperation born of seeing a juggernaut of change, for historical attitudes, having already occurred and again comming to this country shortly.

[Deleted User]

100,000 people. Catch yourselves on, that's a ridiculous statement.

Achasanai

Bonniedog wrote: »

Merrion Square was full of people while there were still people leaving Parnell Square!

I saw both today's rally and the big water charges rally in December 2014. Todays was bigger.

There may have been people leaving Parnell Square, but at 15,000 for the march, there would have been a fairly substantial gap between them and all of ye in Merrion Square.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Lots of Poles and Africans on rally. Something you never see at leftist hootenannies, Do these people not know that Sorcha and Jason with some 2:2 "social sciences" certificate know what is best for them?

How would you know who attends these leftist hootenannies? I assure you there are Poles and Africans in attendance. Because Poles and Africans occupy a vast range of the political spectrum, from extreme left to extreme right, and everywhere in between.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Which lack of understanding of the Irish people is why the ultra left is an insignificant pimple on the arse of Ireland, puppets of the sutherlands and Merkels.

15,000 marching when 100,000 were expected would suggest that the insignificance certainly isn't on the repeal side.

pilly

Bonniedog wrote:

It was at least as big as the water charges march in December 2014. Easily 100,000.

Wrong

erica74

RTE say "in excess of 15,000 people" attended. It attracted people from all over the country and "some from overseas". Strange that people would come here from other countries to march against choice.

suicide_circus

I hear you're a racist now father

dav3

splinter65 wrote: »

What makes you think that they’re not happy with the turn out?

I said "the organisers certainly aren't happy". The organisers of these events are generally unhappy people. Once the cameras are off, it's back to a life of misery, intolerance and hatred.

As one of the last marches before the referendum, they were expecting over 100,000 people in attendance. This morning they've woken up scratching their heads wondering why so many people decided to stay away yesterday.

eviltwin

I wonder how many of the foreign nationals at the march yesterday are eligible to vote.....

[Deleted User]

Bonniedog wrote: »

Lots of Poles and Africans on rally. Something you never see at leftist hootenannies, Do these people not know that Sorcha and Jason with some 2:2 "social sciences" certificate know what is best for them?

Repeal has cross party support in case you didn't notice. Fine Gael is the most conservative party in the Dail and they have done their best to kick the can down the road for as long as they possibly could. We're only getting a referendum now because they see which direction public opinion is going.

Also I find it interesting that you object to "Sorcha and Jason" supposedly telling others what's best for them, when you are dictating that women must be forced to give birth no matter their circumstances. How very hypocritical.

Bonniedog

Merrion Square was full of people while there were still people leaving Parnell Square!

I saw both today's rally and the big water charges rally in December 2014. Todays was bigger.

Will also be bewildering to the numbskulls on the left that many were on both those protests.

Lots of Poles and Africans on rally. Something you never see at leftist hootenannies, Do these people not know that Sorcha and Jason with some 2:2 "social sciences" certificate know what is best for them?

Which lack of understanding of the Irish people is why the ultra left is an insignificant pimple on the arse of Ireland, puppets of the sutherlands and Merkels.

Shinners used to have some insight into that but are now dominated by people who are not republicans and should really just leave before they destroy it. No wonder Jorry the paedophile protector didn't want to resign and leave his life's work in the hands of idiots like McDonald and O'Broin :-)

Oldtree

Bonniedog wrote: »

You know this how

There were at least 100,000 there. If you want to delude yourself otherwise, I am sure it fits perfectly well with your dysfunctional grasp of reality.

Well now, well now....

Are you suggesting Rte cannot count to the really big numbers? Their 15,000 is an overestimation imo of the number that were there from the footage and photos I have seen and the length of somthing thin does not indicate the number involved.

In excess of 15,000 people attended the rally at Merrion Square.

There was no official estimate of how many attended the actual march but at one stage it stretched from the city quays to Parnell Square North.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0310/946411-save-eighth-march/

_Dara_

splinter65 wrote: »

What makes you think that they’re not happy with the turn out?

Well, a pro-life acquaintance of mine has a photo of herself at the march today on Facebook right now with #100000 and “with 100,000 amazing Irish people” written on it.

pleas advice

i doubt it

Bannasidhe

Bonniedog wrote: »

Is that a proposition from Wittgenstein?

And no, he didn't play for Bayern Munich. oh, the never ending fun provided by leftist imbeciles. Worth the entry fee.

Indeed.
But you are no fun as all you have is empty right wing babble and so many have spouted that rubbish with far greater elan than you.
Perhaps when you have finished venting your spleen we can have a reasoned discussion.

Bonniedog

baylah17 wrote: »

Mummy and Daddy need to revoke your internet privliges
Lol

Is that a proposition from Wittgenstein?

And no, he didn't play for Bayern Munich. oh, the never ending fun provided by leftist imbeciles. Worth the entry fee.

Hoboo

david75 wrote: »

40% of the crowd were minors.......Regardless a great many of those in attendance were all from overseas and travelled over for it, it seems.

Are these facts, have you a source/link please?

Bonniedog

david75 wrote: »

Laughable. You really believe it was that many people fair enough. It demonstrably wasn’t. And it seems at least 40% of the crowd were minors.
Gardai wouldn’t have even been able to handle that many people either and they estimated about 6k

Regardless a great many of those in attendance were all from overseas and travelled over for it, it seems. Neither them nor the kids can vote.

You know this how

There were at least 100,000 there. If you want to delude yourself otherwise, I am sure it fits perfectly well with your dysfunctional grasp of reality.