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The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

RobertKK

The citizens assembly voted to replace or amend the 8th amendment.

50% voted to replace or amend
44% voted to repeal
Rest preferred to not state an opinion

Now deciding how it will be replaced or amended
: Let the Dail legislate on the rights of the unborn
: Amend the provision in the constitution.

Meltdown on twitter by Repealthe8th people.

Mod- This thread has descended in to petty name calling. We've tried to let this thread run without too much mod interference but now it's on our radar we will be watching. From here on the name calling stops. If you can't debate civilly we will remove your right to post.

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Bannasidhe

splinter65 wrote: »

Once again I have to tell you I’m not interested in how strangers value me.
I gather that’s important to you but I could never understand it.
It’s what you do for other people that’s important, not what people think of you, or admire you for what you do, or how much you are appreciated.
Starting to feel under appreciated escalates quickly into a general unhappiness that settles and never really leaves.
I met a lovely woman yesterday volunteering with the St Vincent De Paul who just goes about looking after people with no ego or fuss whatsoever. She’s totally taken for granted and taken advantage of and she knows that but this is what she wants to do and she’s perfectly happy.
Bro Kevin and Sr Stan and Fr McVerry are the same.
If your not a woman I heard on the Joe Duffy show some weeks ago then I’ve got you mixed up with someone else and that’s my mistake.

A noble sentiment which I agree with even as I am puzzled by it's relevance to this discussion. Or what prompted you to make it as all I have done is point out where you have commented about what other people think/feel etc.
Speak only for yourself and you and I won't have an issue.

And I have never been on liveline and never will be.

RobFowl

garbo speaks wrote: »

I honestly think there is a silent pro-life majority in this country, that will stun the liberal elites come referendum day.

I am pro repeal but am quite disappointed with the ridicule and contempt some pro repeal seem to treat pro lifers with. There is a nasty and arrogant undercurrent which I fear will reduced the chance of this being repealed.

Look at the smart comments and glee at over-estimates of the numbers marching today as an example...

splinter65

garbo speaks wrote: »

I honestly think there is a silent pro-life majority in this country, that will stun the liberal elites come referendum day.

The 12 weeks seems to be the big issue with the child bearing years folk, from what I can make out.

pitifulgod

garbo speaks wrote: »

I honestly think there is a silent pro-life majority in this country, that will stun the liberal elites come referendum day.

We heard similar in relation to marriage referendum...

Oldtree

splinter65 wrote: »

Oldtree you’ve posted a video being filmed by a socialist party where they’ve stood with an iPhone fixed at a random spot trying to record the amount of people passing on their way to the rally.
Crowds are filing past, quite slowly and one of the film makers is trying to count in tens and getting out of breath with the effort.
What do you see?

They recorded the march from the start as it went past. they are going by slowly but very very patchy.

100,000 no
60,000 no

maby between 7,000 and 10,000 at most.

splinter65

Bannasidhe wrote: »

A noble sentiment which I agree with even as I am puzzled by it's relevance to this discussion. Or what prompted you to make it as all I have done is point out where you have commented about what other people think/feel etc.
Speak only for yourself and you and I won't have an issue.

And I have never been on liveline and never will be.

Totally have confused you with someone else then. Typical me.

garbo speaks

pitifulgod wrote: »

We heard similar in relation to marriage referendum...

In the marriage referendum, no one wanted to murder innocent unborn children.

david75

So in not at all shocking news the plc are lying

https://twitter.com/wsmireland/status/972504704105304065?s=21

Oldtree

RobFowl wrote: »

I am pro repeal but am quite disappointed with the ridicule and contempt some pro repeal seem to treat pro lifers with. There is a nasty and arrogant undercurrent which I fear will reduced the chance of this being repealed.

Look at the smart comments and glee at over-estimates of the numbers marching today as an example...

Nonsense! Glee! On such a serious issue? You are being overly sensitive.

splinter65

RobFowl wrote: »

I am pro repeal but am quite disappointed with the ridicule and contempt some pro repeal seem to treat pro lifers with. There is a nasty and arrogant undercurrent which I fear will reduced the chance of this being repealed.

Look at the smart comments and glee at over-estimates of the numbers marching today as an example...

If you made this remark on Facebook you’d be called a ****ing twat.
Here is very easy going in comparison.
Also here there are supporters of very left wing groups which always means a lot of very distorted reality which doesn’t help.

Bannasidhe

garbo speaks wrote: »

In the marriage referendum, no one wanted to murder innocent unborn children.

Indeed. Back then the implied message was that the gheys wanted to be able to adopt children so they could abuse them... some times it wasn't even implied...

splinter65

david75 wrote: »

So in not at all shocking news the plc are lying

https://twitter.com/wsmireland/status/972504704105304065?s=21

But no pics of the crowd Dav? Why is that?

uptherebels

garbo speaks wrote: »

I honestly think there is a silent pro-life majority in this country, that will stun the liberal elites come referendum day.

And what evidence do you have to form this opinion?

splinter65

amdublin wrote: »

I sure will. Twill be all the better after the May referendum when I have full personal bodily autonomy.

You have full bodily autonomy now. Hopefully the weather will pick up soon and you’ll be showing it all to the sun.

garbo speaks

uptherebels wrote: »

And what evidence do you have to form this opinion?

Lets talk after referendum day- then you will have your evidence.

Oldtree

splinter65 wrote: »

Also here there are supporters of very left wing groups which always means a lot of very distorted reality which doesn’t help.

I for one am not a member/follower/supporter of any group, political party, etc. and I make up my own mind.

uptherebels

garbo speaks wrote: »

Lets talk after referendum day- then you will have your evidence.

You could have just said you didn't have any and were just making it up:rolleyes:

Jimbob1977

uptherebels wrote: »

You could have just said you didn't have any and were just making it up:rolleyes:

It's called 'gut feeling'. Everyone has it.

splinter65

Amazing the amount of non nationals at the rally. New Irish.
Great stuff.

RobFowl

splinter65 wrote: »

If you made this remark on Facebook you’d be called a ****ing twat.

Thats my point !

Got attacked on twitter for something trivial in many ways.

Extremists will get the wrong voters out ......

uptherebels

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

It's called 'gut feeling'. Everyone has it.

You mean wishful thinking?

Oldtree

splinter65 wrote: »

But no pics of the crowd Dav? Why is that?

from the other side of the street from the WS person's video

Save the 8th campaigners say tens of thousand of people have joined their march this afternoon

https://www.nova.ie/news/oconnell-street-standstill-pro-life-rally/

david75

splinter65 wrote: »

But no pics of the crowd Dav? Why is that?

Loads of pics and video out there. It’s nothing like the numbers they’re claiming.
You can only fit 17k max in that part of merrion square. They don’t even have that much there’s massive gaps throughout the crowd and one estimate has it 40% are actually children?!

david75

In no universe is this 100k. Why do they bother lying so blatantly?? It’s so baffling

https://twitter.com/wsmireland/status/972508279220957189?s=21

david75

https://twitter.com/wsmireland/status/972508832470568961?s=21

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jaysus

id march if coverage of all of this could just go away

jumpers

100k me hole

"some of your side said this so yer all orrible"

there isnt 100 voters have changed their mind on this topic all year id bet

this is all public onanism (also frowned upon btw)

Jimbob1977

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jaysus

id march if coverage of all of this could just go away

jumpers

100k me hole

"some of your side said this so yer all orrible"

there isnt 100 voters have changed their mind on this topic all year id bet

this is all public onanism (also frowned upon btw)

"In my day, it used to be called self-abuse

Now it's called self-love!"

From the MTV cartoon 'Daria'

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the waggish part of me might note that its starting to make sense how a few loaves and fish fed "the multitudes" back in the day given the counting methods mind you

splinter65

david75 wrote: »

In no universe is this 100k. Why do they bother lying so blatantly?? It’s so baffling

https://twitter.com/wsmireland/status/972508279220957189?s=21

Workers solidarity carefully taking pictures that will placate comrades.
Because it’s not as if communists have ever mislead the proletariat, is it?

splinter65

david75 wrote: »

Loads of pics and video out there. It’s nothing like the numbers they’re claiming.
You can only fit 17k max in that part of merrion square. They don’t even have that much there’s massive gaps throughout the crowd and one estimate has it 40% are actually children?!

Give us a pic of the assembled crowd now at the meeting point Dav. Easy enough must be.