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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

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He has to be one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known, not just a stuffed suit like his wooden American counterpart. His steadfast resolve in the face of a proxy war being waged in Ukraine has to be admired, a war that would never have happened if billions weren't poured into Ukraine to kickstart a coup.

Like him or loathe him there is no doubt that Vladimir Putin is a very shrewd operator who is consistently one step ahead of the game.

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milehip

Dunno about youtube and I don't think you can watch iPlayer in the ROI but BBC2 are repeating it this Monday @ 11.15.

pitifulgod

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

States who had the ban in place are not happy and often times don't enforce the ruling and are trying to keep the ban. So who worse Russia?
https://mic.com/articles/147670/is-same-sex-marriage-legal-in-all-states#.1fB2rdQky

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/north-carolina-lawmakers-introduce-bill-ban-same-sex-marriage-n745606

It's incredibly minor as an issue. 9 counties(so note entire states, a very small part of a state) in Texas and Alabama in Texas and Alabama have refused to issue marriage licenses. It's not 'often times', it's incredibly irregular. So it's not exactly comparable to an entirely country legislating to ban everything from public displays of affection to sharing news articles about gay people on social media....

Elmer Blooker

milehip wrote: »

Brainwashed? Project much?
You probably think North Korea is a socialist paradise.

BBC doc on now is well worth a watch, plenty of Putin former cabinet members: advisors and opponents being interviewed. Can't understand stand why anyone here looks up to someone like Putin, he's vile.

I don't give much thought to N.Korea to be honest.

I didn't see this ... "documentary" .. but I wonder were any ordinary Russians interviewed? For example those who lived in dire poverty during the corrupt Yeltsin era and who are now seeing improved living standards under Putin.
I thought Putin eliminates all opponents by the way!

Vladimir Poontang

The funny thing about the US shills lambasting Putin over LGBT rights is the same cohort won't utter a word about Saudi Arabia in the same breath.

Because they are totally insincere and the issue isn't really LGBT rights

They are just obsessed with villifying Russia.

pitifulgod

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

The funny thing about the US shills lambasting Putin over LGBT rights is the same cohort won't utter a word about Saudi Arabia in the same breath.

Because they are totally insincere and the issue isn't really LGBT rights

They are just obsessed with villifying Russia.

Nope, I'm pretty critical of Saudi Arabia and hold the regime in incredibly low regard. I think their human rights record in general is abhorrent. I didn't realise this was a discussion on Saudi Arabia though... :rolleyes: You're making incredibly odd conclusions about posters on the thread. I'm not a US shill btw, pretty critical of them too tbh. Just over different issues. Know that probably doesn't fit your world view.

Elmer Blooker

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

The funny thing about the US shills lambasting Putin over LGBT rights is the same cohort won't utter a word about Saudi Arabia in the same breath.

Because they are totally insincere and the issue isn't really LGBT rights

They are just obsessed with villifying Russia.

Total HYPOCRISY. The biggest offenders when it comes to discrimination of gay people is a a club than has Canada, Australia and obviously Britain as members. Read about it here, I bet no one expected "cool" Jamaica to be on the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations

pitifulgod

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Total HYPOCRISY. The biggest offenders when it comes to discrimination of gay people is a a club than has Canada, Australia and obviously Britain as members. Read about it here, I bet no one expected "cool" Jamaica to be on the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations

Once again, you're assuming that people such as myself have no issue with issue with human rights abuses elsewhere in the globe. I very much so do and I imagine most who have issues with Russia's policy share similar views on other states. Have you forgotten all the international attention that Uganda's anti gay law got for example? Human rights groups such as Amnesty highlight abuses across the globe but when they do it about Russia, you guys seem to get very annoyed. See all the other countries it also mentions?
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/issues/lgbti-rights

ohnonotgmail

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Total HYPOCRISY. The biggest offenders when it comes to discrimination of gay people is a a club than has Canada, Australia and obviously Britain as members. Read about it here, I bet no one expected "cool" Jamaica to be on the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations

The whataboutery is strong in this one.

milehip

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

milehip wrote: »

Brainwashed? Project much?
You probably think North Korea is a socialist paradise.

BBC doc on now is well worth a watch, plenty of Putin former cabinet members: advisors and opponents being interviewed. Can't understand stand why anyone here looks up to someone like Putin, he's vile.

I don't give much thought to N.Korea to be honest.

I didn't see this ... "documentary" .. but I wonder were any ordinary Russians interviewed? For example those who lived in dire poverty during the corrupt Yeltsin era and who are now seeing improved living standards under Putin.
I thought Putin eliminates all opponents by the way!

If you're in dire poverty and your living standard improves what state are you in then? Just plain old poverty?

Garry Kasparov and Mikhail Khodorkovsky were two of his opponents who didn't get wet worked over,the show detailed who Kasparov presidential campaign was derailed. And how Khodorkovsky who was the 4 richest man in the world in 2002 ended up in jail having his assets seized and sold off to a company close to Puttin,because he accused the Russian government of corruption.

No they didn't interview any Yuri soaps but like I already posted they have plenty of ex-Putin colleagues.

el diablo

cnocbui wrote: »

You are an unconscionable liar.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-chemicalweapons-exclusiv/exclusive-tests-link-syrian-government-stockpile-to-largest-sarin-attack-sources-idUSKBN1FJ0MG

THE HAGUE (Reuters) - The Syrian government’s chemical weapons stockpile has been linked for the first time by laboratory tests to the largest sarin nerve agent attack of the civil war, diplomats and scientists told Reuters, supporting Western claims that government forces under President Bashar al-Assad were behind the atrocity.

According to "diplomats and scientists". Do these people have names? Why didn't they just the usual "according to anonymous/unnamed sources"? Do you consider this to be conclusive evidence?

Tea drinker

el diablo wrote: »

According to "diplomats and scientists". Do these people have names? Why didn't they just the usual "according to anonymous/unnamed sources"? Do you consider this to be conclusive evidence?

Maybe if the sources sat in the UN session with a vial of flour and said we have to go kill people now it would be believable.
Maybe Donnie Rumsfeld, that hard working moron knows better where the chemical stocks came from? I mean in Iraq he said they were located "North south east and west"

Tea drinker

indioblack wrote: »

I don't know if Putin is directly responsible for what happened in Salisbury.
Nor can I tell if it will keep people in Russia safe.
You say you have no problem with traitors being killed.
You might if you were in the vicinity of this event.

We aren't paying traitors in Russia or US or anywhere else.
If we were, I would lose the right to NIMBYism then wouldn't I?

As I already said, no one had any issue with The Mossad doing similar, so I'm afraid the UK can moan as much as they want. If they hadn't turned that asset then they wouldn't have made that problem for themselves and in particular the cops family. We all know UK are guilty of similar and supporting similar.
Couldn't care less about this spy or his family, he decided to play the game which can have dire consequences.

Elmer Blooker

So, the grave of Mrs Skripal is now "cordoned" off. What does this mean? Is the grave being exhumed? Is it a crime scene? Of course we aren't being told but the cameras are there to record this charade to keep the interest going.
The BBC are now turning it into a soap opera to make sure the masses don't get bored.

According to "diplomats and scientists". Do these people have names? Why didn't they just the usual "according to anonymous/unnamed sources"? Do you consider this to be conclusive evidence?

Whats worse is the fact that the UN had no monitors on the ground in Khan Sheiktoun and just repeated everything that was fed to them by the jihadist terrorists.

Gatling

Tea drinker wrote: »

As I already said, no one had any issue with The Mossad doing similar,

There was actually several threads on it ,

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So, the grave of Mrs Skripal is now "cordoned" off. What does this mean? Is the grave being exhumed? Is it a crime scene?

Whats worse is the fact that the UN had

Both .

And the fact russia has blocked and vetoed every UN investigation from Ukraine to Syria says it all,
Even when it was them who demanded investigations in the first place

Can't explain that can you

pitifulgod

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So, the grave of Mrs Skripal is now "cordoned" off. What does this mean? Is the grave being exhumed? Is it a crime scene? Of course we aren't being told but the cameras are there to record this charade to keep the interest going.
The BBC are now turning it into a soap opera to make sure the masses don't get bored.

Whats worse is the fact that the UN had no monitors on the ground in Khan Sheiktoun and just repeated everything that was fed to them by the jihadist terrorists.

Seems pretty logical that the BBC are reporting on all aspects of an assassination attempt and the police's progress. You wouldn't even be saying anything about this if it wasn't for the Russian aspect....

Tea drinker

Gatling wrote: »

Both .

And the fact russia has blocked and vetoed every UN investigation from Ukraine to Syria says it all,
Even when it was them who demanded investigations in the first place

Can't explain that can you

And if you don't get how biased UN after it being explained to you how is that anyone elses's problem bar yours?
I already mentioned Colin Powel holding up what I can only assume was his dogs excrement in dried powder form as a means of using UN ... which was of course more than willing to be subverrted in such way.
We have Ban Ki Moon having to apologise in tears to Saudi, after for once correctly accusing them on their attrocities in Yemen.
Saudi used their power to force him to 180 reverse his position.
How can people take this organisation seriously?

Cheerful Spring

pitifulgod wrote: »

It's incredibly minor as an issue. 9 counties(so note entire states, a very small part of a state) in Texas and Alabama in Texas and Alabama have refused to issue marriage licenses. It's not 'often times', it's incredibly irregular. So it's not exactly comparable to an entirely country legislating to ban everything from public displays of affection to sharing news articles about gay people on social media....

Texas is basically a country with 27 million people. And interesting you say it minor an issue when states are not happy do not want same-sex marriages. If this was Russia you be posting information why this is wrong, with no ambiguity.

pitifulgod

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Texas is basically a country with 27 million people.

And it's counties in texas rather than all of Texas so spread out between 9 in Alabama and Texas. There are 254 counties in texas. 67 in Alabama. So yep, a pretty tiny number in that context.

Cheerful Spring

pitifulgod wrote: »

And it's counties in texas rather than all of Texas so spread out between 9 in Alabama and Texas. There are 254 counties in texas. 67 in Alabama. So yep, a pretty tiny number in that context.

What happening in Texas, not discrimination?
http://www.newsweek.com/same-sex-couples-marriage-benefits-texas-supreme-court-730730

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/06/30/texas-supreme-court-ruling-houston-same-sex-marriage-benefits/

This should enlighten you.
http://fortune.com/2017/01/21/gay-marriage-legalization-texas/

pitifulgod

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What happening in Texas, not discrimination?
http://www.newsweek.com/same-sex-couples-marriage-benefits-texas-supreme-court-730730

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/06/30/texas-supreme-court-ruling-houston-same-sex-marriage-benefits/

This should enlighten you.
http://fortune.com/2017/01/21/gay-marriage-legalization-texas/

I never claimed it was not discrimination. However you over emphasised how large the problem is in relation to refusing marriage licenses. I view it as a disgrace for the record however it is far from widespread. You've also moved the goalposts in terms of your original claim. Yep, there's plenty of discrimination in the US in relation to LGBT people (but refusal of marriage licenses is pretty minimal). I've never denied this. In fact, US anti discrimination laws in general are pretty atrocious. You are not going to get fined by the state over posting Guardian articles on social media though..

You on the other hand are fine with the propaganda law in Russia if the public support it. I'm not fine with discriminatory laws, particularly ones that will influence those who commit hate crime. You've made this all about diverting to other places, as if people don't care in relation to other places. The topic is on Putin hence discussions on his policies. You try to divert from anything negative about him or Russia. Western propaganda is what you label everything that is negative. If we're discussing Saudi Arabian policies for example, I imagine you wouldn't be jumping to what the US is doing wrong....

Cheerful Spring

[QUOTE=pitifulgod;106398764
You on the other hand are fine with the propaganda law in Russia if the public support it. I'm not fine with discriminatory laws, particularly ones that will influence those who commit hate crime. You've made this all about diverting to other places, as if people don't care in relation to other places. The topic is on Putin hence discussions on his policies. You try to divert from anything negative about him or Russia. Western propaganda is what you label everything that is negative. If we're discussing Saudi Arabian policies for example, I imagine you wouldn't be jumping to what the US is doing wrong....[/QUOTE]

Taken from the internet.
The Russian government's stated purpose for the law is to protect children from being exposed to homonormativity — content presenting homosexuality as being a norm in society — under the argument that it contradicts traditional family values.

Difficult this I don't disagree with the law. I think it's not necessary to expose very young kids to homosexual images at a young age.That I feel this way may trigger people on here, but can't change who I am for people on after hours.

pitifulgod

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Taken from the internet.
The Russian government's stated purpose for the law is to protect children from being exposed to homonormativity — content presenting homosexuality as being a norm in society — under the argument that it contradicts traditional family values.

Difficult this I don't disagree with the law. I think it's not necessary to expose very young kids to homosexual images at a young age.That I feel this way may trigger people on here, but can't change who I am for people on after hours.

A person was convicted for sharing a guardian article on the marriage referendum. You're full of nonsense justifications while ignoring the reality and what it's purpose was at the time. It's an example of how the Russian government is in bed with the orthodox church. A pride rally, kissing your partner in public are all propaganda under this law. That's abhorrent but you don't even have the guts to say that much.

Cheerful Spring

pitifulgod wrote: »

A person was convicted for sharing a guardian article on the marriage referendum. You're full of nonsense justifications while ignoring the reality and what it's purpose was at the time. It's an example of how the Russian government is in bed with the orthodox church. A pride rally, kissing your partner in public are all propaganda under this law. That's abhorrent but you don't even have the guts to say that much.

I can agree with you there it silly to convict some for sharing an article about same-sex marriage. Kissing your gay partner in public, personally not opposed to this. Russia though it not trying to stop people from being gay in private and they're not opposed to gay marriage.America is supposed to be freer than Russia but many states in America are against gays having any rights. You have to be fair in your analysis and even when pointed out to you how bad it is for gays in Texas and other states your first response was it only a minor issue. If Russia was trying to stop gay marriage and denying social benefits to gay people you lose your **** on here.

pitifulgod

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I can agree with you there it silly to convict some for sharing an article about same-sex marriage. Kissing your gay partner in public, personally not opposed to this. Russia though it not trying to stop people from being gay in private and they're not opposed to gay marriage.America is supposed to be freer than Russia but many states in America are against gays having any rights. You have to be fair in your analysis and even when pointed out to you how bad it is for gays in Texas and other states your first response was it only a minor issue. If Russia was trying to stop gay marriage and denying social benefits to gay people yo lose your **** on here.

I am perfectly fair in my analysis. I said that it's a minor issue in the scale when only 9 counties in Alabama and Texas are the only places in the entirety of the United States that are actively trying to prevent marriages. It's a problem but it's not huge in the scale of things. You claimed it was an entire state that was affected, it was not. I also have no issue with saying that there are other ways that states in the US try to limit the rights of LGBT.

Saying you can only show affection towards your partner in private, that's absolutely ridiculous btw. You're trying to diminish the seriousness of the law repeatedly. Saying that 9 counties is similar to a federal law that tries to drive the LGBT community underground. That's pretty incomparable....

Dinarius

Russia is not in good shape economically.

Stirring the proverbial abroad makes Putin look strong at home. It’s a distraction.

But, if anyone is in any doubt about his morality, consider the forthcoming sham he’s managed to make the presidential election in Russia. It’s truly a joke.

Thankfully our (flawed) brand of democracy is a lot better than that.

D.

Cheerful Spring

pitifulgod wrote: »

I am perfectly fair in my analysis. I said that it's a minor issue in the scale when only 9 counties in Alabama and Texas are the only places in the entirety of the United States that are actively trying to prevent marriages. It's a problem but it's not huge in the scale of things. You claimed it was an entire state that was affected, it was not. I also have no issue with saying that there are other ways that states in the US try to limit the rights of LGBT.

Saying you can only show affection towards your partner in private, that's absolutely ridiculous btw. You're trying to diminish the seriousness of the law repeatedly. Saying that 9 counties is similar to a federal law that tries to drive the LGBT community underground. That's pretty incomparable....

13 states banned same-sex marriage until 2015 and majority of them what to go back to the way it was.

Texas and Alabama population is 31 million, keep that in mind when you read what I said below.

A return of the ban affects all of Texas, not just a few counties. Some counties in those states are still resisting the law.
http://fortune.com/2017/01/21/gay-marriage-legalization-texas/

I have already told you I agree with you on the things you talked about. Don't make Putin evil though if the Russian people believe the law is right. Maybe Putin is not the problem its the Russian people?

pitifulgod

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

13 states banned same-sex marriage and majority of them what to go back to the way it was.

Texas and Alabama population is 31 million, keep that in mind when you read what I said below.

A return of the ban affects all of Texas, not just a few counties. Some counties in those states are still resisting the law.
http://fortune.com/2017/01/21/gay-marriage-legalization-texas/

I have already told you I agree with you on the things you talked about. Don't make Putin evil though if the Russian people believe the law is right. Maybe Putin is not the problem its the Russian people?

You're clearly not intent on having any discussion. Same sex marriage is not banned in Texas. There's significant issues in relation to discrimination, I haven't denied that. It includes marriage benefits being restricted which is a genuine issues however marriage licenses are only being prevented in 9 counties across two states. Your article is 12 months old, they are not going to overrule the supreme court decision which applies to all states.

Putin brought in that policy because of his relationship with the orthodox church. He is part of the problem and you're pretty ignorant to assume otherwise. If regressive laws come in while you're leader, it's your responsibility, that's the reality. I'm not engaging with you any further. You've minimised everything and tried to pretend that Putin is an innocent saint.

Elmer Blooker

Dinarius wrote: »

But, if anyone is in any doubt about his morality, consider the forthcoming sham he’s managed to make the presidential election in Russia. It’s truly a joke.

Don't believe the 24/7 anti Russia propaganda from our spineless media. Read this link and see what's being deliberately hidden from the masses.

In addition there are a further fifteen other ‘declared candidates’ currently running. These include a Green candidate, an alternative Communist candidate running as the ‘Communists of Russia’, a ‘Liberal-Democrat’ (Zhirinovsky) and a Monarchist. None of these have been banned or accused of crimes to facilitate shutting them down. All of them or quite a few of them – are pretty much as entitled as Navalny to be described as “Putin’s nemesis”, but again they are barely acknowledged to exist in the Western media.

https://off-guardian.org/2018/01/17/russian-election-2018-why-navalny-with-2-support-a-criminal-conviction-is-the-wests-only-opposition-to-putin/

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Don't believe the 24/7 anti Russia propaganda from our spineless media.

You mean the only opposition that was allowed to run as chosen by putins own party.

Actually Elmer do you think banning gay anything protects children ,
And how does it work if child is gay