splinter65 wrote: » I know a ****load of them were purchased but I definitley got the impression that senior repeal the 8th people didn’t like the whole “you’re a Nazi and a fascist if you don’t buy a jumper and wear it” atmosphere that hung around it and subtly distanced themselves from that scene. There was the unfortunate photo that went viral of girls posing lewdly in front of a statue in a rural church somewhere while modeling the jumpers that seemed to piss EVERYONE off, including repeal advocates. Here it ishttp://theliberal.ie/disgraceful-outrage-as-pro-choice-repeal-activists-purposely-disrespect-statue-of-our-lady-in-kildare-church/
david75 wrote: » In the run up to marriage equality we had the same mouthpieces saying we’ll have gays marrying each other to adopt kids to abuse them and What’s to stop someone marrying their sister? Or their dog?? Where does it stop?!?! These were actual arguments put forth. It’s the same scare tactics and hysterical nonsense lost that campaign for those against it. We’re seeing the same here and again the same people making the same mistakes and undermining their own campaign with such nonsense. I’m glad Irish people are smarter than falling for this bull****. I’m sad that there’s an deranged element of Irish people that are trying to push it. Again.
Bannasidhe wrote: » You do know that the Liberal.ie is literally owned by Leo Sherlock, son of Cora Sherlock and one of a family of rabid pro-lifers? As a source it's up there with Breitbart. And your impression is wrong.
splinter65 wrote: » SSM was only ever going to make a difference to a minority group. This is going to be huge. I’m already hearing of people (on both sides) writing to their GP to demand to know his/her stance on the abortion pill. More people are demanding to know (on both sides) if the medical card will be covering abortions. It seems a poll of GPs has revealed that 2/3 will NOT be administering the abortion pill. The GPs are also saying that their conscience privilege also means that they can refuse to refer a woman to a GP who WILL administer the pill. That’s ever before the nurses get their say. That’s just the tiny tip of the iceberg Dav
david75 wrote: » Thats same poll said the vast majority of GPS support the referendum and want to be able to do their job and give best healthcare. I can give you the link and I’d hope you read it rather than the cherry picking from it that has been going on.
splinter65 wrote: » I think that legislation will be introduced and very soon abortion will be widely available with no restrictions to around 20 weeks. It will start at 12 weeks and arguments will ensue and it will creep up steadily. Only time will tell what the long term consequences will be though.
Oldtree wrote: » Please. Its always better to link in a post straight away, I find.
pleas advice wrote: » the time limit of 12 weeks may not be changed any time soon, but the restrictions on what abortions are permissible after that point, and the conditions imposed both before and after the 12 week limit, may well change, in fact, if not necessarily in law.
marsbar1 wrote: » Is is really that much trouble to travel to England, Wales or even Scotland?
NuMarvel wrote: » So instead of talking about what may happen, tell us what you think is likely to happen, and why.
david75 wrote: » Here you go. Read the headline. And how it’s been presented here in this thread. Then read the artlicle itself which is totally disjointed from the headline. how is it possible that would happen? Cherry picking nirvana for the pro life campaignhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/abortion-referendum/twothirds-of-gps-will-refuse-to-provide-abortion-pills-36682050.html
marsbar1 wrote: » While I think women should have the right to do what they choose I also think that if abortion is permitted in Ireland it will be the death of the Ireland we all knew. As an immigrant I like the catholic values in Ireland even though I am not religious. Is is really that much trouble to travel to England, Wales or even Scotland?
pleas advice wrote: » If the referendum passes, I think whatever restrictions are are put in place, after a time they will be loosened, in practice. You only have to look at abortion law in Britain, and abortion in practice in Britain to see an example of this, and I have no reason to believe it would be any different here
splinter65 wrote: » Well that incident in a Catholic Church did happen. It was one of two incidents in churches with repeal jumpers that was condemned by decent repeal campaigners. Are you saying that it didn’t happen or that it wasn’t condemned? Liberal may be right wing but it’s very popular and widely read by all walks of life. So what?
Oldtree wrote: » david75 wrote: » Here you go. Read the headline. And how it’s been presented here in this thread. Then read the artlicle itself which is totally disjointed from the headline. how is it possible that would happen? Cherry picking nirvana for the pro life campaignhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/abortion-referendum/twothirds-of-gps-will-refuse-to-provide-abortion-pills-36682050.html I've reread the article three times, but it's oddly worded. Am I sumising correctly that the doctors who would not provide the service, do so as they have no training to provide such a service, but are nonetheless in favor of the repeal of the 8th and in essence GPs providing the service?
average_runner wrote: » A quick question and I haven't found the answer? Is this something the state will provide or you got to pay for It?
Bannasidhe wrote: » Well I guess I mustn't be 'decent', what ever the hell that means, because I reckon if celibate clerics feel they have the right to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies than that makes the workplaces of those clerics a legitimate place to protest. No organisation has oppressed the women of Ireland as much as the Roman Catholic Church. Boo Hoo for them if some women are no longer cowering in fear of the pulpit. Sure - get your information from a source proven to be both biased and guilty of countless acts of plagiarism aka stealing other people's work while neither acknowledging them or paying them. It will sit comfortable along side your other main sources cited - 'I'm hearing' and 'I get the impression'.
splinter65 wrote: » The pictures in both incidents went viral. All over the twitter machine and Facebook. The girls involved certainly didn’t come out to answer their many detractors or stand up for themselves and either defend or explain their actions. They got very little support. So, ok, If you want to say that it’s admirable for people to go on privately owned property and abuse and trash someone else’s things and post pictures on the internet looking for praise, then that’s your prerogative. Your absolute right.
pitifulgod wrote: » Looking at the image, no actual "trashing" involved. Politically charged photos in locations that represent the very organisation that is trying to restrict their rights. It might be uncomfortable for you but it's not criminal as you're pretending it is. It's politically charged statements. It wasn't particularly high profile as you portray it. I suspect you wouldn't be using the liberal if it was. In relation to the liberal, personally I wouldn't use sites that have been found guilty of plagiarising actual journalists. They've got a clear agenda and couldn't even be bothered writing most of their news stories.
