dxhound2005 wrote: » I expect everything will work out fine in the end. It usually does.
drillyeye wrote: » Well I'll spoil it for you, we all end up dead. Always do
drillyeye wrote: » Exactly. That's a timebomb en route. And I still say that an anglo-alliance in some form will happen between the USA and UK, so add the corporation tax problem (the thing that keeps our economy alive) and you've got a whopper on our hands.
Owen Shapely Swinger wrote: » Indeed, it's an instant +5-10% rise in unemployment for a start. The uk could well strike up a free market between can-aus-nz-us if they really wanted, and partial-free market with India. Anyone from the UK (or Ire) could swap roles or lifestyles with folks in those places a lot easier than trying to do so in mainland eu, purely due to the language barrier(s).
pumpkin4life wrote: » Britain left it. Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic and Austria are more in the telling the Europe to fùck off mood with all this immigration bullshìt. The National Front made their biggest gains in the last election; the second party in France now an anti-EU party. Italy today had elections where the biggest party in parliament now is anti-EU. Nigel Farage is giving talks to people about Irexit and people are turning up to them. Those talks are in demand now and weren't happening a few years ago. Irish people are go along to get along, hate people who do better then them, love to be told what to do kind of people. We will be one of the last countries to leave. But still, and if there's any fùcking around with the corporate tax rate and the border, things will change quickly. Ten years.
greencap wrote: » Poland? Would you stop. Polands received billions in infrastructural investment from the EU. And Poles are all over the gaff as you can see. The country is on a steady upward trend thanks to the EU. We all feel like telling others to fck off and then storming out, but we can't always. Sense gets in the way. And that same sense will keep the moany holes from voting to leave. Cause they know that however sht it is inside the EU, its just going to be as bad or worse outside. People do have legit reasons to moan. So there'll be reforms, but no breakup.
drillyeye wrote: » There is no way the UK are just going to isolate themselves forever, its just not going to happen. The same way we cant distance ourselves from their choices and influence. In a sequence of events, heres one to consider, that after the UK and USA have their agreements made, there will be a f*ck ton of pressure put on Ireland via the multinationals that our economy subsists upon, and we'll be coerced into joining their new group too. What leverage does the EU have over us??
drillyeye wrote: » We're a bit of an oddball in Europe all round. We don't really speak foreign languages, but the only English speaking country (soon). Relatively successful economically, but much of that is due to American companies. Our closest strategic ally and trading partner is the UK, certainly no history with any other country in Europe that comes close. We will be right out there on the edge of Europe on our own as an island. To be honest, you have to ask yourself how the hell Ireland is related to the EU at all. I mean, if you made a list of weakest links, is there any other country as separate as us?
Its Purge Time wrote: » But the Poles are telling the EU to **** off. They don't want any of Merkel's children and if the Fuhrer forces the issue the Poles will remind her Germany owes about a trillion euros in war reparations. Hopefully sense will prevail and the old Nazi Merkel will give up.
greencap wrote: » The whole anglosphere nonsense, how many times I've heard it. The US used to be in the mix too. Then they realised Donnie doesn't give a small one about them. Canada won't be in there either. Its already in bed with the EU, and Quebec won't have anything to do with such an Anglo-centric entity. Theres already a commonwealth*. Dont think there'll be a redundant commonwealth 2.0 needed. *Which has a gdp p.c. of about 4000 euro btw.
greencap wrote: » They don't have to 'want'. The doors over there. Over there by the trade barriers, the import taxes, the loss of business.
Owen Shapely Swinger wrote: » Poland are about x10 more likely to leave than Belgium. They've probably had enough of the old invasion malarkey over the years already. Would expect Italy's odds to be down to 3.5 tomorrow afternoon.
greencap wrote: » ...And they're bookies odds. Putting your trust in people who make money from your mistakes. Yeah they're probably tired of the old invasion craic alright. So unless they want to face Vlads little green men alone they're probably going to want to stay with the EU.
greencap wrote: » Never said you did. The most Euro-skeptics can hope for is the loss of a limb of the EU. Again, consider the Franco-German core. This time from the perspective of Netherlands and Belgium. Do you want free movement of trade, I think so.Or from the Polish perspective. Vlads next door, armed to the teeth and taking bits of Ukraine. Want to stay in the club, yeah I think so. Finland - yeah that might be a good idea. The EU is a snowball effect, theres economic and military safety in numbers. And once you're in its so much easier to stay than to get up, leave, and then face life outside the single market.
professore wrote: » Surprised Sweden is near the top.
Casualsingby wrote: » On the subject of illegals coming in to Europe, the main point which is overlooked is western ie USA UK in particular interference in these countries. The illegal war in Iraq destabilised the entire region and left a vacuum for the unrest. Which spread throughout the region, which lead to the "Arab spring“ which lead to the situation in Syria which lead to hundreds of thousands coming to Europe. On the second front. Interfering in Libya, lead to the downfall of Gaddafi, he ruled with an iron fist, had deals with Europe with stop boats leaving from the Libyan coast. Now its a no man's land, people in central Africa leave in their droves to Libya and up to the coast with no one stopping them. So America and UK are the culprits for what has transpired, France too for their bombing of Libya. If these countries would stop starting wars, there wouldn't be so many displaced people coming in to Europe. If the Iraq war didn't happen, neither would half of the shyt that transpired since would have. I'm not saying Saddam or gaddafi were good people but their countries are a lawless bloodbath since they left. Libya never gets a mention on the news since yet it's like the wild wild west. So yeah stop your illegal wars UK and USA and the world will be more stable. They are entirely to blame for the massive crap.
dav3 wrote: » A united Ireland and Scotland seceding from the uk is guaranteed. Apart from Putin getting taken out after he's outgrown his usefulness, not much else will happen. Compared to last century, it's been fairly subdued in Europe.
OneEightSeven wrote: » I feel that the EU will collapse if they don't implement the following: 1. Offshore detention centers for illegal immigrants. People across Europe are fed of Muslim and African immigration. They bring so much crime and other social issues compared to immigrants from other regions. 2. End free movement of workers. Open borders with 27 other countries is putting stress on infrastructure and we're struggling to keep up with the demand. Ireland housing crisis is a sterling example: rents, property prices and salaries in the construction sector are through the roof because there so much demand for homes. It's nearly impossible for working and middle class people to own their own home near Dublin. I doubt we'll see those implemented anytime soon because it's clear the EU wants to undermine homogeneity as ethnic nationalism the biggest obstacle to a federal EU. The EU seemed more eager to embrace Scotland becoming independent than Catalonia and that's because Catalonia is the most Euroskeptic region of Spain. Hopefully there will be another surge of nationalism in the EU Parliament elections next year so we can remove most of the Eurofederalists.
Pepefrogok wrote: » Just the small hurdle of the Irish people not wanting a UI and the Scott's already rejecting independence! And Putin will name his successor who he will craft in his image.
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