liverpool lad wrote: » Hi. Regarding the new post structure - how are the interviews being conducted in different schools? We have been told that the advertisement will merely say "AP1" or "AP11" but the post you would be going for would not be noted on the job advertisement. The successful candidates at either A1 ir A2 level will then be discussed by management and the roles, based on the needs of the school, assigned on that basis? It seems a bit bizarre that you'd apply for a post, not knowing what exact post you were going for and end up with the possibility of securing a post you had no interest or experience in due to a lack of people going / showing leadership or interest in that role itself? It seems like a way to deter people applying and getting "yes" people who will do anything into the posts and chop and change them year after year. Does anyone have any information on this? I've read the circular and it doesn't say that it has to be or doesn't have to be done in this way, but just intrigued as to what other school principals are doing. Looking forward to hearing all, Thanks
evolving_doors wrote: » If a job description is too detailed then perhaps many potential applicants might think it's written with someone in mind.
liverpool lad wrote: » I still think the post in itself should be advertised - as simple as "ICT coordinator" - AP11 and then leave it at that. But not go into too much detail! I fear a lot of staff in our school won't go for any post
ASISEEIT wrote: » I think your lament rings true for most professions but in teaching career progression has been spat on -again and again. Look a B post gives you 2k a year after tax. Most teachers can earn that easily outside. Ie supervision,exam correction Once you are over 5 years in a teaching job its hard to work 48 weeks of the year Grass can be greener but if you are LPT it can be greener!
doc_17 wrote: » Exactly and maybe for a lot less hassle as well! €3500 is the gross for an AP 2 job. You'd get to keep 35-40% of it. So max €1500 per year or €30 per week.
ASISEEIT wrote: » To be fair I think an A post (AP 1) is probably worth your while. But I think a lot of teachers are looking beyond posts in their Schools. This post Tiger generation want Mgt jobs badly.
ASISEEIT wrote: » doc_17 wrote: » Exactly and maybe for a lot less hassle as well! €3500 is the gross for an AP 2 job. You'd get to keep 35-40% of it. So max €1500 per year or €30 per week. To be fair I think an A post (AP 1) is probably worth your while. But I think a lot of teachers are looking beyond posts in their Schools. This post Tiger generation want Mgt jobs badly.
Mardy Bum wrote: Depends on the school. Some schools because of legacy issues have A posts that are laughable. Others have a list of duties plus extra supervision.
feardeas wrote: » Mardy Bum wrote: Depends on the school. Some schools because of legacy issues have A posts that are laughable. Others have a list of duties plus extra supervision. If it is legacy the review should be able to deal with it surely.
Mardy Bum wrote: » feardeas wrote: » Mardy Bum wrote: Depends on the school. Some schools because of legacy issues have A posts that are laughable. Others have a list of duties plus extra supervision. If it is legacy the review should be able to deal with it surely. Try giving a group of people additional roles after a number of years and wait for their response. And they would be right to object.
judeboy101 wrote: » I thought that ultimately if a post holder refused to do their job it would be a disciplinary thing. Now my reading was that any change to your post was by review and "agreement" but that at the end of the day, if you dug in firm youd lose.
Mardy Bum wrote: » Try giving a group of people additional roles after a number of years and wait for their response. And they would be right to object.
feardeas wrote: » I'd settle for them to actually do what they have been paid for a decade to do. Deeply frustrating looking at that nonsense for a decade let me tell you and I'm waiting to have the head bitten off me here by the usual
deiseindublin wrote: » Why post the usual inflammatory stuff so?
feardeas wrote: » Apologies if I am being terse I think it is a mixture of cabin fever and annoyance at what I see locally which may not be an indication of the national picture at all.
dory wrote: » judeboy101 wrote: » I thought that ultimately if a post holder refused to do their job it would be a disciplinary thing. Now my reading was that any change to your post was by review and "agreement" but that at the end of the day, if you dug in firm youd lose. Yes it has to be by agreement. They were asked in my school to take on additional duties but they did not agree. So now we have a situation where AP2's work their butts off and AP1s lounge around.
judeboy101 wrote: » Are u sure? Does the new circular not supercede previous circulars?
dory wrote: » Have you a link to that? People keep talking to me about 'the new circular' and I can't find it. It's probably on the main page of the Dep's website now... The short answer is I'm not sure sure but I sort of sure. Does anyone here have a sample of an application form for these new AP1/AP2 posts? I'd love to see what's involved out of interest.
