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My unemployed story

Ajsoprano

I see a lot of dole bashing and if I get let go Id work in McDonald’s type posts. A lot of “they are always in the bookies” threads. So this is how the government of today has sorted out the “dole scrounger”.

I was a plumber in my early 30s making more money than doctors and accountants. All the overtime I wanted. Then things got bad and I was getting a few weeks on a few weeks off a few weeks up north then pretty much nothing.
Employers started only offering into the hand work where you had to get social welfare to make up your wage. I refused to avail of this.
I remember them changing how long your stamps lasted you until they started to harass you.
One day I was called to a meeting with a woman in the welfare office I brought my son in a buggy I thought it was just to drop in forms and the like. She moaned at me for bringing children to a meeting them tore shreds off me when I tried explain work was tight. She sent me to a private company under the jobbridge umbrella because I wasn’t getting the finger out.
First I had to do a course called steps which was a psychology type motivation course which I enjoyed and gave me a bit of confidence back.

I applied for all sorts of jobs but was told I was over qualified or I’d be back plumbing as soon as they trained me.
I went to intreo (New fas) and asked about the gas course for working on boilers. I was told I was the private companies now and intreo couldn’t deal with me.
The private company found me a placement in a car park in Dublin with an Astro and a dancing class beside a really rough flat complex. All these parents used the dancing school. There was no markings in the car park , my job was to be a yellow line. When a car parked where there was an imaginary yellow line on that day I had to tell them to move. I got non stop abuse nearly every day for a year. I also had to turn on and off the lights for the Astro in winter. I’m not one that worries too much about my mental health but looking back now I dreaded going to it and struggled sleeping on work nights. I asked for a safe pass and was told they were sorting one.
I complained about it and was told they have another opening for me in an even worse part of Dublin cleaning a green space and putting out chairs for meetings in a community centre. As far as I remember there was 3 months left on my placement and they wanted me to start this new one all over again so I stuck out the car park.
As soon as the car park job finished I emailed about the safe pass but they didn’t reply anymore.
I got s letter a week later to go to skillsteam another jobbridge type private company.
I had two meetings with them where they told me they’d only pay for my safe pass if I had a letter saying I had a job if I have a safe pass. The gas course was laughed out the door again. In meetings they kept pushing that they had retail jobs but I think this was a threat I don’t think they really had them.
Building of hotels picked up and I got a job. I got my own safe pass that Saturday and started on the Monday. I got a number of phone calls from skillsteam trying to find out my new job details so they could claim a few quid of taxpayers money for getting me off the register I never gave them to them but I’m sure they have ways around that.

I’m back working and paying between 1-200 euro a week tax no thanks to these kick the unemployed schemes.

There are people in my area that have never worked a day in their life that these schemes don’t bother. Who they will bother is you if you lose your job or your kids if they come out of school jobless.

Private companies shouldn’t be anywhere near the social welfare system and it sickens me that my tax goes to private companies to kick jobless people when they are down, humiliate them by standing them in a car park in front of friends and neighbours and parents from my kids activities.

Most people end up out of work at some stage in their life.

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weldoninhio

Ajsoprano wrote: »

I’m in quite a good situation. It doesn’t help my taxes for helping people in worse situations goes towards private companies who don’t help them.

That’s good to hear. Hope you’ve leaned your lesson and have a “rainy day” fund.

koumi

weldoninhio wrote: »

That’s good to hear. Hope you’ve leaned your lesson and have a “rainy day” fund.

what was the lesson?

Donald Trump

Berserker wrote: »

Is this the same England that has to provide Irish people with jobs every time the economy here falls apart?

Outsiders!
Are these the same outsiders who took the corn from our mouths when the potatoes went rotten in the ditches?

Are these the same outsiders who took the meat from the tables while we lay in the ditches with the grass juice running green from our mouths?

Are these the same outsiders who drove us to the coffin ships and scattered us to the four corners of the earth?

Are these the same outsiders who watched while the valley went silent except of the cries of the last starving child?

The English are gone Bull

Gone! Because I drove them out. Me and my kind

Clickbait

Ireland is meant to get a new internship program similar to jobbridge. Read that a couple of months ago. The difference between jobbridge and the new one is jobbridge was for graduates who couldn't get experience and the new one is open to everyone. So it's the same because jobbridge was open to anyone, not just graduates.

Took up a jobbridge myself, employer kept me on , was happy to be off the dole but i have put up with people treating me like dirt, as if I'm stupid which is still continuing. I keep sending my CV and applying new jobs but not getting anywhere. How is another scheme going to help when people are being treated like dirt and so easily replaced with another slave to treat like dirt.

weldoninhio

koumi wrote: »

what was the lesson?

That just because you are making lots of money now, it doesn’t mean this will go on for the rest of your days, so put a bit aside.

If that’s too difficult for you to understand ask someone to explain the fable of the squirrel that collected nuts for winter vs the squirrel that didn’t.

Ajsoprano

weldoninhio wrote: »

That just because you are making lots of money now, it doesn’t mean this will go on for the rest of your days, so put a bit aside.

If that’s too difficult for you to understand ask someone to explain the fable of the squirrel that collected nuts for winter vs the squirrel that didn’t.

So now jobbridge is a private company set up to bash the person with no savings?

VinLieger

Ajsoprano wrote: »

So now jobbridge is a private company set up to bash the person with no savings?

Deflection with feigned ignorance, interesting tactic

Ajsoprano

VinLieger wrote: »

Deflection with feigned ignorance, interesting tactic

So again are you happy with private companies taking tens of millions out of your prsi to do sweet f a except kick people when they are down?

weldoninhio

Ajsoprano wrote: »

So now jobbridge is a private company set up to bash the person with no savings?

Deflect, deflect, deflect. Job-bridge is to get people out working. You were on job bridge, now you are working. Job done.

Iseedeadpixels

Ajsoprano wrote: »

I was a plumber in my early 30s making more money than doctors and accountants. All the overtime I wanted. Then things got bad and I was getting a few weeks on a few weeks off a few weeks up north then pretty much nothing.
Employers started only offering into the hand work where you had to get social welfare to make up your wage. I refused to avail of this.

Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

koumi

weldoninhio wrote: »

That just because you are making lots of money now, it doesn’t mean this will go on for the rest of your days, so put a bit aside.

If that’s too difficult for you to understand ask someone to explain the fable of the squirrel that collected nuts for winter vs the squirrel that didn’t.

no worries, I'm collecting nuts

Permabear

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[Deleted User]

There is no doubt that there are a certain amount of people who feel disengaged from the world of work and feel oppressed and exploited by any attempt to support them into work. They look for an explanation.

They may have mental health issues and are externalizing them on to issues around welfare and work.

They may well have been exploited and or genuinely struggle with work or they feel they never fit in properly.

It becomes politicised to them blaming capitalism etc.

The point is it feels real to them even if there is no evidence to support their thinking.

Baron Kurtz

I'm with the OP. He calls it JobBridge. Not JobsBridge. I'd employ him on that alone. Shows he's not lazy.

Grateful Dread

koumi wrote: »

what was the lesson?

To stop acting like Billy-big-boll0x like he did during the boom by throwing cash around he didn't have, keeping up with the Joneses and not securing his family's financial future.

Rory28

Grateful Dread wrote: »

To stop acting like Billy-big-boll0x like he did during the boom by throwing cash around he didn't have, keeping up with the Joneses and not securing his family's financial future.

Its not like he was the only one who didn't see the crash coming. Its all well and good in hindsight saying this but its about as useful as a coq flavoured lolly.

weldoninhio

Rory28 wrote: »

Its not like he was the only one who didn't see the crash coming. Its all well and good in hindsight saying this but its about as useful as a coq flavoured lolly.

We are saying it in foresight. :rolleyes:

NinetyTwoTeam

AJ Soprano was always a bit of a moaner.

Try being a young person who never had any good job or money to throw about, never had anything to do with the crash whatsoever but was made pay for it, no more free college fees, grants slashed, no jobs for college grads, dole cut to 100.00.

Ajsoprano

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

AJ Soprano was always a bit of a moaner.

Try being a young person who never had any good job or money to throw about, never had anything to do with the crash whatsoever but was made pay for it, no more free college fees, grants slashed, no jobs for college grads, dole cut to 100.00.

That’s exactly why it’s important to get rid of these schemes and this government for that matter. It’s a recovery in name alone.

koumi

Grateful Dread wrote: »

To stop acting like Billy-big-boll0x like he did during the boom by throwing cash around he didn't have, keeping up with the Joneses and not securing his family's financial future.

I blew it all on hookers and coke.

Avatar MIA

Ajsoprano wrote: »

It’s a recovery in name alone.

:rolleyes:

Avatar MIA

koumi wrote: »

I blew it all on hookers and coke.

So, supporting the economy.

Ajsoprano

Avatar MIA wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Compare it to a time when rent was half the price, families weren’t living on pot noodles cooked in hotel kettles, gaurds weren’t getting accused of being peados for doing their job. Murders weren’t being downgraded on a basis of how the figures looked. People weren’t standing in car parks to adjust job numbers. Private companies weren’t getting paid to stand people in car parks to adjust job numbers.

Avatar MIA

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Compare it to a time when rent was half the price, families weren’t living on pot noodles cooked in hotel kettles, gaurds weren’t getting accused of being peados for doing their job. Murders weren’t being downgraded on a basis of how the figures looked. People weren’t standing in car parks to adjust job numbers. Private companies weren’t getting paid to stand people in car parks to adjust job numbers.

The bold has nothing to do with economics.

Underlined - there were always people on such schemes, the private element is semantics.

Rent being half the price is a factor of a recovering economy.

Families living in hotel rooms. That's a factor of the increasing rents.

[Deleted User]

The live register

The live register is, in short, a measure of those unemployed, looking for work, and registering for some kind of unemployment assistance.

It does not include anyone on a job activation scheme.#

http://www.thejournal.ie/ge16-election-2016-ireland-fact-check-job-activation-unemployment-2601799-Feb2016/

[Deleted User]

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Compare it to a time when rent was half the price, families weren’t living on pot noodles cooked in hotel kettles, gaurds weren’t getting accused of being peados for doing their job. Murders weren’t being downgraded on a basis of how the figures looked. People weren’t standing in car parks to adjust job numbers. Private companies weren’t getting paid to stand people in car parks to adjust job numbers.

I take it you have a gripe with unnamed private companies doing the job that they are paid to do?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Ajsoprano wrote: »

That’s exactly why it’s important to get rid of these schemes and this government for that matter. It’s a recovery in name alone.

I don't know how many recessions and recoveries you have seen but it is certainly a recovery in real terms. And achieved much quicker than had been anticipated.

The schemes obviously weren't for you and didn't work for you (as you state ad infinitum) but they worked for many others.

[Deleted User]

Either the OP truly believes or more likely it is what they want to believe or they could be trolling, either way, they are not going to be convinced by facts or evidence.

Ajsoprano

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I take it you have a gripe with unnamed private companies doing the job that they are paid to do?

They are being paid to kick unemployed while they are refusing old people a bit of extra coal during the next few days.

Surely that money could be spent on a bit of coal.

Ajsoprano

Avatar MIA wrote: »

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The bold has nothing to do with economics.

Underlined - there were always people on such schemes, the private element is semantics.

Rent being half the price is a factor of a recovering economy.

Families living in hotel rooms. That's a factor of the increasing rents.

So when we had high rents it was a factor of the recession then when we had even higher rents it’s a factor of a recovering economy and yet when we had a fully recovered economy the rents were half the price they are now.
You have a few buddies talking through your hat. Nobody else is even reading the thread anymore. Why don’t you sign off and head home for the day.