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Heaslip Retiring / Appreciation Thread [MOD WARNING: POST 1]

dub_skav

I think many of us feared this.
What a legend, he will be missed

Edit: Felt it deserved its own thread

https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status/968060885410381826

MOD WARNING: This is now an appreciation thread. This is not something we wanted to do. Unfortunately as people don’t know how to behave like adults so there it is. You can keep your long harbinged grudges for another time...

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Spudmonkey

Pity that for a guy who was never out through injury that it was an injury that finally got him. Great player for Leinster and Ireland.

That try against France was the first thing that came to mind for me too.

CatFromHue

It's not that he didn't do media, it's that he blocked a pile of journalists on twitter.

JustJoe7240

Larbre34 wrote: »

He retweeted a not so droll tweet from Aidan O'Hara also of the indo-rag, something about Heaslip's lack of engagement with the media over the years.

I think that's in reference to Heaslip blocking them, But that's still on his page, I'd imagine it's a reference to Heaslip doping or some other nonsense he won't let go of.

molloyjh

Larbre34 wrote: »

He retweeted a not so droll tweet from Aidan O'Hara also of the indo-rag, something about Heaslip's lack of engagement with the media over the years.

Jaysus, how dare a person dictate the level of publicity they engage in. :rolleyes:

Larbre34

Buer wrote: »

Haskell showed terrific aptitude as a film maker in his youth before turning his attentions to rugby.

Larbre34

joecass123 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what Kimmage actually tweeted? Seems to be gone now

He retweeted a not so droll tweet from Aidan O'Hara also of the indo-rag, something about Heaslip's lack of engagement with the media over the years.

Squatter

Buer wrote: »

Haskell showed terrific aptitude as a film maker in his youth before turning his attentions to rugby.

Bless your memory, I had forgotten all about that!

molloyjh

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Yeah, I sat beside his Dad at a match just before the injury. He also said that Jamie was not a huge rugby fan. Appently his brothers are more so?
Anyway, no biggie. I mostly don’t like my work either!

Jamie himself has said that he didn't watch much rugby when he played. He was living it enough as it was and had other things to be doing than sitting watching even more rugby. I'm sure that's what his dad was getting at. Since his injury he's actually started watching it again (this is from the horses mouth) and enjoys that aspect now.

Basically when he was playing it was taking up most of his time and he didn't want to lose more time to the game. When he stopped playing he starting watching as a fan again. When asked about his future in the game after retiring he said he probably wasn't going to coach or become a pundit. However he said he did like the podcast format where it's a bit more conversational and inferred he might be interested in getting involved in that somewhat.

irishbucsfan

Buer wrote: »

Haskell showed terrific aptitude as a film maker in his youth before turning his attentions to rugby.

Careful now

Buer

Sangre wrote: »

Heard an interesting analysis of Haskell (and other players) on another podcast recently. In short, the point made was that Haskell suffered a lot of criticism for many years for being a player who tried to break the mould somewhat and, from a very early age, made it obvious he had pursuits outside rugby. This included him playing abroad in several countries and a heavy online presence promoting his various business ventures. As time has gone on, I think Haskell has won over a lot of his critics. Partly because players now recognise that it is essential to create a life after rugby.

Haskell showed terrific aptitude as a film maker in his youth before turning his attentions to rugby.

Squatter

pickarooney wrote: »

harbinged... what is that even supposed to be?

I think it's the present, pluperfect, módh coinníollach, gerund of the verb to harbour.

dub_skav

pickarooney wrote: »

harbinged... what is that even supposed to be?

You'll have to forgive .ak, he's lighting candles in 3FE as we speak

irishbucsfan

pickarooney wrote: »

harbinged... what is that even supposed to be?

I think it's a food place down the end of Harcourt street, probably owned by Heaslip

CIARAN_BOYLE

Sadly Jamie's Heaslip was the most underappreciated Irish player of the professional era.

Congratulations Jamie on your career your were a great player and captain for both Ireland and Leinster.

pickarooney

harbinged... what is that even supposed to be?

.ak

MOD WARNING: This is now an appreciation thread. This is not something we wanted to do. Unfortunately as people don’t know how to behave like adults so there it is. You can keep your long harbinged grudges for another time...

Utah_Saint

Fantastic player, and great role model. Changed my view on how a Number 8 should operate. Its unfortunate it ended for him like this considering he was made of titanium most of his career.

JustJoe7240

Can anyone tell me what Kimmage actually tweeted? Seems to be gone now

Deusexmachina

Deleted User wrote: »

That happened alright.

No, I made that up because this is so important to me.

[Deleted User]

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Yeah, I sat beside his Dad at a match just before the injury. He also said that Jamie was not a huge rugby fan.=

That happened alright.

sydthebeat

Faugheen wrote: »

Irish rugby fans deserve absolutely nothing if that's how they see one of the greatest players to wear the green jersey.

i wouldnt class those detractors as irish fans, id imagine they are bitter provincial fans who are pissed off at how many times hes been on winning teams against them through the last decade... and all they have to moan about is head phones and sandals.

there are none as blind as those who refuse to see.

stephen_n

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Yeah, I sat beside his Dad at a match just before the injury. He also said that Jamie was not a huge rugby fan. Appently his brothers are more so?
Anyway, no biggie. I mostly don’t like my work either!

Yet Jamie himself saying differently doesn’t count? Then again I doubt you are going to bother informing yourself by listening to it.

Sangre

Heard an interesting analysis of Haskell (and other players) on another podcast recently. In short, the point made was that Haskell suffered a lot of criticism for many years for being a player who tried to break the mould somewhat and, from a very early age, made it obvious he had pursuits outside rugby. This included him playing abroad in several countries and a heavy online presence promoting his various business ventures. As time has gone on, I think Haskell has won over a lot of his critics. Partly because players now recognise that it is essential to create a life after rugby.

I think Heaslip falls in a similar bucket. Very much guy who knew what he was about and frankly didn't care what others thought of him. He was very focused on making a life outside rugby. As a result, he probably was the subject of quite a bit of unnecessary flak. Anyone who dislikes him can never point to a specific reason - given his on-field disciple (red card aside) and general lack of media presence - other than 'I just don't like him'.

Deusexmachina

molloyjh wrote: »

He's clarified that elsewhere. He loves rugby. But he also loves other things. When he was "at work" he was fully switched on and loved every minute of it. When he's away from rugby he's also fully switched off from it. He seems to be a really well balanced guy. It's incredibly important to him but doesn't run his life.

He spoke about it really well on Fitzys Left Wing podcast a few weeks ago. Worth a listen as he's very interesting in how he approached the game and life outside it.

Yeah, I sat beside his Dad at a match just before the injury. He also said that Jamie was not a huge rugby fan. Appently his brothers are more so?
Anyway, no biggie. I mostly don’t like my work either!

Faugheen

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a thread on a player retiring, not a memorial thread for a dead person. Rackard is stating their (unpopular) opinion but they're hardly being a dick about it. Perhaps you think there should be two threads about Heaslip's retirement, one for loving comments and one for a discussion about his career?

The way to respond to someone who you feel is being disrespectful probably shouldn't be snideness.

I have to agree with everything Buer has said though. He would have been key to Leinster actually coming away with something last season.

Super post. Some posters on the Rugby forum hate any criticism of their heroes and get very bitchy, very quickly.
A discussion forum is a place for discussion, including dissenting views.

Because the people who were his detractors have no basis for their arguments about his ability other than the fact that they didn't like him.

Someone said earlier his WPOTY nomination was a surprise. A load of ex rugby greats must have been all wrong then. Anyone who watches him without wanting him to f*ck up could see how great he was.

That's actually it, so many people were begging for him to make an absolute balls of it so they could justify themselves. Last year he made more tackles than any other Irish forward and there was only centimetres per carry in it between him and Stander, yet people got all on their high horse about him missing the England game saying he was done and what have you.

I'm yet to see any valid conversation backed up by facts which suggest Heaslip was on the way out when he got injured or that he isn't missed by province or country.

You can have a pop about anyone defending him all you want, but some of the stuff written about Heaslip on these forums have been absolutely laughable and too many people were far too quick to jump on him. Look at the end of the England game last year and see how many comments were about Heaslip not playing and how they were vindicated.

Irish rugby fans deserve absolutely nothing if that's how they see one of the greatest players to wear the green jersey.

stephen_n

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Exactly what I was referring to. He even said he sometimes doesn’t bother watching the matches when he is not involved.

Maybe you should listen to the left wing podcasts with him, when he addresses that misquote. Very informative.

Burkie1203

Larbre34 wrote: »

He was a player ahead of his time, and he must be jointly the most decorated in the history of the Irish game?

Leinster

Heineken Cup (3): 2008–09, 2010–11, 2011–12
Pro12 (3): 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14
European Challenge Cup (1): 2012–13

Ireland

Six Nations Championship (3): 2009, 2014, 2015
Triple Crown (2): 2007 & 2009
Grand Slam (1): 2009

British and Irish Lions tours (2): 2009, 2013,

No other irish player has matched his winning record. He is the most decorated player which is remarkable given his generation.

[Deleted User]

I worried this thread would turn into a shít show.

Bit depressing to be proved right.

molloyjh

AnneFrank wrote: »

he was always full of it, no doubt we'll have to listen to him now as a pundit

Excellent input. Yes, very good.

Clegg

AnneFrank wrote: »

he was always full of it, no doubt we'll have to listen to him now as a pundit

If he was "full of it", which I don't think he ever was, it's because for near enough to a decade he was one of the best rugby players on the planet.