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ASTI Ballot results SEE MOD ANNOUNCEMENT IN LAST POST*

Icsics

The ballot closed this evening, will we get a result tonight?

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ASISEEIT

Anytime a strike action for LPT is put to me I will vote Yes. Either in a ballot or at convention. I await leadership. I think thats all any of can do. The leakage of members plus the inertia of your typical teacher means we could be waiting a long time. Adieu

MacGyver007

evolving_doors wrote: »

Another workload survey!
Can only mean one thing .
Department are in secret talks with the union about cutting the half term breaks.
Parents would love it.
Radio stations would love the texts flying in at any mention of holidays.

Surely not??? :eek:

evolving_doors

km79 wrote: »

Drift ......what drift ........here we go
https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/jc-framework-workload-survey/
A survey on workload

Another workload survey!
Can only mean one thing .
Department are in secret talks with the union about cutting the half term breaks.
Parents would love it.
Radio stations would love the texts flying in at any mention of holidays.

judeboy101

km79 wrote: »

Drift ......what drift ........here we go
https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/jc-framework-workload-survey/
A survey on workload

Ger needs to get his finger out and crack the whip before exams. You can already see the resignation on the faces of members in my school to the new status quo

ASISEEIT

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Truth hurts. A small militant minority thought they knew better than the democratic vote of the majority.

The result is me grading my own students this year and people thinking that I've got enough pay equality to tide me over until the next crisis.

Why not propose the ending of special conventions? Rules are rules unless changed by a majority

km79

Drift ......what drift ........here we go
https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/jc-framework-workload-survey/
A survey on workload

SligoBrewer

Truth hurts. A small militant minority thought they knew better than the democratic vote of the majority.

The result is me grading my own students this year and people thinking that I've got enough pay equality to tide me over until the next crisis.

ASISEEIT

deiseindublin wrote: »

Anybody associated with the special convention last year should be treated with the derision they deserve. I would have thought a majority carrying a ballot was pretty much an accepted tenet of trade unionism, but it seems not.

I think thats very harsh language. Undemocratic. I was not at convention but accept the result. In the end without a plan for strike it was going nowhere. We would have wound up like Republicans before the peace process-smug in our rejection ism but going nowhere fast.
Members have voted since and we work with those results, but so far all I see is drift and more drift.
If any motion on strike action succeeds then it has to be specific ie how many days exactly .

Im not terribly hopeful about this drift ending

deiseindublin

Anybody associated with the special convention last year should be treated with the derision they deserve. I would have thought a majority carrying a ballot was pretty much an accepted tenet of trade unionism, but it seems not.

r93kaey5p2izun

So that's who he is! He's a pain on twitter with his carefully "curated" collection of retweets, always make an appearance on every education hashtag.

Terri26

A very similar motion to motion rejected at CEC (motion 2) so please go to your branch meetings in the coming weeks to stress you want your members voting for this (if you want it passed). The fight is going in CEC so you need to have your voice heard (either way).

mtoutlemonde

Icsics wrote: »

Very interesting, must need it for his political CV

Future Minister for Education?????

Icsics

judeboy101 wrote: »

Interesting person running for vp lol

Very interesting, must need it for his political CV

judeboy101

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Interesting person running for vp lol

Was he one of the militant group that has landed us with the Junior Cycle rubbish for the sake of an increment?

Well let's just put it this way, anyone who thought last summers special conference was organized without this in mind hasn't been paying attention.

mtoutlemonde

judeboy101 wrote: »

Interesting person running for vp lol

Was he one of the militant group that has landed us with the Junior Cycle rubbish for the sake of an increment?

judeboy101

Sir123 wrote: »

A few interesting motions coming up at convention 2018, especially motions 2 & 8 for all us LPTs.

Nuacht Feb 2018 has the list of motions that will be debated.

https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/nuacht-no-1-2018-convention-special/

Interesting person running for vp lol

Sir123

A few interesting motions coming up at convention 2018, especially motions 2 & 8 for all us LPTs.

Nuacht Feb 2018 has the list of motions that will be debated.

https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/nuacht-no-1-2018-convention-special/

dory

ccazza wrote: »

They are. All previous Assistant Principals posts and Special Duties posts are being renamed AP 1 and AP 2. Remuneration remains the same.

And just to be clear - if an LPT, who isn't entitled to allowances, get an AP 2 job...do they get that allowance? Presume it's somehow classed as something different.

ccazza

judeboy101 wrote: »

any idea if the new Assistant principal 1 and 2 jobs are paid at the same rate as the old assistant principal/special duties posts rates?

They are. All previous Assistant Principals posts and Special Duties posts are being renamed AP 1 and AP 2. Remuneration remains the same.

judeboy101

any idea if the new Assistant principal 1 and 2 jobs are paid at the same rate as the old assistant principal/special duties posts rates?

SligoBrewer

deiseindublin wrote: »

I can't ever see the TUI pulling anything. They just keep cutting ribbons and telling us they're working in the background.

Better than the INTO though to be fair. I feel sorry for the Glór people who have to drag their leadership into action.

deiseindublin

I can't ever see the TUI pulling anything. They just keep cutting ribbons and telling us they're working in the background.

Darwin

My source is our local TUI branch, but it would appear they have the wrong end of the stick.

km79

Darwin wrote: »

I'm in third level (TUI) and head office is asking us once again to lobby TD's in relation to pay equalisation issue for teachers, so something at least is happening. My last few lobby emails got the usual bland replies from all my local TDs, none of whom opposed the 2017 Public Service Pay and Pensions bill. Also, I have heard the government is withholding pay restoration (due this month) for unions who are outside the PSSA, despite the assertion from ASTI that they are not repudiating the agreement and that all members are covered by it. If the former is true, I would hope that croke park hours and third level flex hours are immediately pulled.

We already got this pay restoration this month ?

Darwin

I'm in third level (TUI) and head office is asking us once again to lobby TD's in relation to pay equalisation issue for teachers, so something at least is happening. My last few lobby emails got the usual bland replies from all my local TDs, none of whom opposed the 2017 Public Service Pay and Pensions bill. Also, I have heard the government is withholding pay restoration (due this month) for unions who are outside the PSSA, despite the assertion from ASTI that they are not repudiating the agreement and that all members are covered by it. If the former is true, I would hope that croke park hours and third level flex hours are immediately pulled.

SligoBrewer

acequion wrote: »

ASTI has gone meek though. Much chastened by recent failed campaigns and the loss of members, I think.

Therefore now is the time for ordinary members to put huge pressure on the union leaders to up the ante. Go to your branch meetings, bombard your CEC reps and basically demand action. Demand that the leaders of the three unions prepare a joint strategy. I,too am hoping that convention will kick start something and I totally agree that it's the perfect time of year to force a result.

We have given in on everything. We just CANNOT give in on pay equalisation!

The difference that 2 or 3 NQTs can have on a branch meeting is ridiculous. Every NQT should be at them demanding action, especially as they are nominating convention motions at the minute.

acequion

ASTI has gone meek though. Much chastened by recent failed campaigns and the loss of members, I think.

Therefore now is the time for ordinary members to put huge pressure on the union leaders to up the ante. Go to your branch meetings, bombard your CEC reps and basically demand action. Demand that the leaders of the three unions prepare a joint strategy. I,too am hoping that convention will kick start something and I totally agree that it's the perfect time of year to force a result.

We have given in on everything. We just CANNOT give in on pay equalisation!

joebloggs32

Sir123 wrote: »

I hope that's certainly not the case. Government have to give clarity on the issue within three months as far as I'm aware. If this outcome is unsatisfactory, I'm hoping, around convention time, a motion towards strike action after Easter holidays is put forward. All unions would need to be on the same page however.

There's one thing I've noticed in the last few weeks and that's the media attention. In a way, this could be classed as a good thing, but deep down I know the government are going to do squat for pay equality. They're too much of a dictator.

I hope that teachers regain some stand in the coming weeks as the working conditions are also being severly eroded as the weeks go by.

I love my job, I love to teach but I don't love being made a fool of. And as a LPT, that certainly is happening.

I agree with you. Strike now and the government will pi$$ themselves laughing at us out in the cold while saving money. Look at the way it collapsed last year after a few days.
However threaten strike in April when we have leverage and they will sit up and take notice.
If we have learned anything from the guards, train and luas drivers it is that the government will have if backed into a a corner, but only then.

Sir123

judeboy101 wrote: »

I think they are hoping we all forget it

I hope that's certainly not the case. Government have to give clarity on the issue within three months as far as I'm aware. If this outcome is unsatisfactory, I'm hoping, around convention time, a motion towards strike action after Easter holidays is put forward. All unions would need to be on the same page however.

There's one thing I've noticed in the last few weeks and that's the media attention. In a way, this could be classed as a good thing, but deep down I know the government are going to do squat for pay equality. They're too much of a dictator.

I hope that teachers regain some stand in the coming weeks as the working conditions are also being severly eroded as the weeks go by.

I love my job, I love to teach but I don't love being made a fool of. And as a LPT, that certainly is happening.

judeboy101

MrJones1973 wrote: »

Drift and more drift from asti

I think they are hoping we all forget it