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thomond2006

Pro gun-control activists badly need to reference Dunblane more. Within a year very strict laws were passed in mainland UK and there's been no 'school shooting' since.

While it's not nearly the same culture/conditions etc. in the US, it is an example of a 'federal' government fixing the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

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thomond2006 wrote: »

Pro gun-control activists badly need to reference Dunblane more.
No 'school shooting' in the UK since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

There was a similar mass shooting in Australia shortly after Dunblane. Aus changed their gun laws and again, there hasn't been a similar mass shooting since.

Bazzo

If I can interrupt the politics for a moment:

Does anyone know a good spot to get pissed enjoy a pint or two and watch the rugby in Manchester? Big screen preferably but not necessary if there are enough screens to be able to easily see it anyway.

irishbucsfan

thomond2006 wrote: »

Pro gun-control activists badly need to reference Dunblane more. Within a year very strict laws were passed in mainland UK and there's been no 'school shooting' since.

While it's not nearly the same culture/conditions etc. in the US, it is an example of a 'federal' government fixing the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

To be fair Dunblane and Port Arthur do get brought up quite a bit. But they're only brought up by people who actually want to hear about how a federal gun ban and buyback absolutely can work.

The truth is that these people do not care that much about the lives of the people who are dying. They care far more about their own lives and the lives of their close friends and family. The media indulge them in this by inflating the value of guns to their lives and deflating any potential benefits of the obvious course of action. It's extremely effective, we'll see similar tactics used here over the coming months.

irishbucsfan

Bazzo wrote: »

If I can interrupt the politics for a moment:

Does anyone know a good spot to get pissed enjoy a pint or two and watch the rugby in Manchester? Big screen preferably but not necessary if there are enough screens to be able to easily see it anyway.

Watched it in the Tib Street Tavern. Was alright, r'kid.

molloyjh

thomond2006 wrote: »

Pro gun-control activists badly need to reference Dunblane more. Within a year very strict laws were passed in mainland UK and there's been no 'school shooting' since.

While it's not nearly the same culture/conditions etc. in the US, it is an example of a 'federal' government fixing the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

That stuff is brought up all the time. And summarily shot down with bogus studies or just totally ignored. Every last bit of objective evidence on the matter proves beyond doubt that gun control works. But too many people don't want to hear it and refuse to believe it.

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molloyjh wrote: »

That stuff is brought up all the time. And summarily shot down with bogus studies or just totally ignored. Every last bit of objective evidence on the matter proves beyond doubt that gun control works. But too many people don't want to hear it and refuse to believe it.

There are no studies. Republicans and by proxy the NRA have banned any studies by government institutions in the US into gun deaths.

The Democrats have actually just tabled a bill to allow this kind of research to be done, but when one side doesn't even want the information to be made available you begin to appreciate the scale of the challenge.

Zzippy

irishbucsfan wrote: »

There was a brilliant tweet (not sure if it's an old joke) a few days ago which was along the lines of:

'Whenever I hear someone say "The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" I think, here is someone who wants to sell two guns"

Zzippy wrote: »

I saw a good tweet that I think accurately reflects the lobbying power behind gun control (the lack of) in the US, something like:

Americans like to say it takes a good person with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. But that sounds to me like someone trying to sell 2 guns.

I swear guys, I'm not IBF...

b.gud

I think this tweet kinda sums up the gun control situation in America

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/611943312401002496

prawnsambo

Or this one which the Onion recycles every time there's a mass shooting

kuang1

Any recommendations for a decent pub in Edinburgh to watch the match on Saturday?

Jack Kanoff

Sweet baby Jebus!

'Semedo charged with attempted murder'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11262136

swiwi_

Not a fan of the American gun lobby, but I reckon NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch could tempt Venjur to fire off a few rounds

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swiwi_ wrote: »

Not a fan of the American gun lobby, but I reckon NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch could tempt Venjur to fire off a few rounds

Pretty, yes, Soul? No.

Watch her propaganda videos on YouTube if you can stomach them.

Optics aside, my overall opinion is that she is a very ugly person.

molloyjh

Based on that pic alone she scares me. I can picture her legs around my throat, and not in a good way. Look at those eyes. Those empty, lifeless eyes.....

irishbucsfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty, yes, Soul? No.

Watch her propaganda videos on YouTube if you can stomach them.

Optics aside, my overall opinion is that she is a very ugly person.

Wholesome Venjur

irishbucsfan

molloyjh wrote: »

Based on that pic alone she scares me. I can picture her legs around my throat, and not in a good way. Look at those eyes. Those empty, lifeless eyes.....

Sigh...

Buer

You know the thing about a spokesperson for the NRA, she's got...
lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When she comes at ya, doesn't
seem to be livin'. Until she bites ya and those black eyes roll over white.

molloyjh

Buer wrote: »

You know the thing about a spokesperson for the NRA, she's got...
lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When she comes at ya, doesn't
seem to be livin'. Until she bites ya and those black eyes roll over white.

I'm glad someone could see where I was going with that.

swiwi_

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty, yes, Soul? No.

Watch her propaganda videos on YouTube if you can stomach them.

Optics aside, my overall opinion is that she is a very ugly person.

Ah now, I was only pulling you...pulling your leg.

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swiwi_ wrote: »

Ah now, I was only pulling you...pulling your leg.

It's often confused for a leg alright!

I'm certain I've posted this before, but here is one of the reason why her ugliness outshines her beauty.

prawnsambo

If you read reports of the head of the NRA's speech yesterday, you'd be wondering how people can listen to that stuff without feeling patronised and treated like simpletons. Talking about 'elites' and 'socialists' coming to take away their second amendment rights. It was below the level of "four legs good, two legs bad".

stephen_n

prawnsambo wrote: »

If you read reports of the head of the NRA's speech yesterday, you'd be wondering how people can listen to that stuff without feeling patronised and treated like simpletons. Talking about 'elites' and 'socialists' coming to take away their second amendment rights. It was below the level of "four legs good, two legs bad".

It’s not like he said anything new, it’s just the NRA’s standard response after every single mass shooting. As we have seen, constantly repeating the same message, regardless of its validity or veracity, works in America.

awec

prawnsambo wrote: »

If you read reports of the head of the NRA's speech yesterday, you'd be wondering how people can listen to that stuff without feeling patronised and treated like simpletons. Talking about 'elites' and 'socialists' coming to take away their second amendment rights. It was below the level of "four legs good, two legs bad".

It was at some conservative hick gun loving neanderthal gathering so I imagine he was surrounded by like minded individuals.

Zzippy

Trumpers believe that anyone who disagrees with them are part of an "elite", no matter the economic status of the other party. It's the biggest conspiracy theory ever sold, and millions have bought it.

prawnsambo

awec wrote: »

It was at some conservative hick gun loving neanderthal gathering so I imagine he was surrounded by like minded individuals.

But even the most brain-dead hick has to wonder why a bunch of schoolkids who would like to go to school without the fear of being shot could be equated to 'elites' and 'socialists'.

And I know Alex Jones and his ilk are quite probably pretending it never happened a la Sandy Hook. :rolleyes:

Yeah_Right

Whats the story with NRA membership? I've done some cursory research and numbers are all over the place. How does someone become a member? Do just have to pay a registration fee? Do you actually have to own a gun? Could all the anti-gun people join and bring it down from the inside?

b.gud

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Whats the story with NRA membership? I've done some cursory research and numbers are all over the place. How does someone become a member? Do just have to pay a registration fee? Do you actually have to own a gun? Could all the anti-gun people join and bring it down from the inside?

Funny you should ask that I came across this interesting bit of info on NRA membership this morning

https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/966710494689185792

thomond2006

They are their own parody.

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prawnsambo wrote: »

And I know Alex Jones and his ilk are quite probably pretending it never happened a la Sandy Hook. :rolleyes:

If that was all they did it would be bad but not awful. But no, they push the idea that it was in fact staged with actors. He's pushing this again this time, the parents are already having to take action to protect themselves from death threats.

Outrageously ****ed up country.