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Rural Ireland Burglars Primetime

hurler32

Prime time tonight has programme on the Mayhem that is rural Ireland in recent years as travelling gangs rob man woman and child ...

Fine Gael obviously have been a major help to the travelling gang members closing nearly all rural Garda stations ...

Move to Dublin or be beaten to death as one woman puts it ...

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Spanish Eyes

andekwarhola wrote: »

Come again?

I think you heard me the first time.

There is no way we can afford to have a Garda Station in every village anymore. But there are other technologies out there that would help. ANPR and CCTV on the on/off ramps of the motorways time stamped etc.

I am not heartless, being invaded in your own home is just so traumatic, but there are other ways to help this. Everyone and anyone can get a cctv installed and should, probably do. It will help.

I know if it happens to you or me it is devastating, but the days of the Garda stamping the passport forms in every village in Ireland is gone now. Did they do much else really if a patrol car was not available in the area anyway?

Birdie Num Num

Riskymove wrote: »

They are different MOs

Burglaries in urban areas are rarely aggravated they tend to be opportunistic

In rural areas these gangs are carrying out home invasion style events. They beat and torture residents particularly elderly ones. Such rural residents feel more vulnerable as a result

I agree isolated areas make people more vulnerable but burglaries and associated violence is not restricted or more prevelant to rural areas. Nor is the lack of Gardai. The reality is crime is much greater in urban areas and particularly parts of Dublin. What rural Ireland does have is a voice whereas crime has become an acceptance in many urban areas unfortunately.

Atlantic Dawn

Tagging would save them millions.

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hurler32 wrote: »

the Mayhem that is rural Ireland in recent years as travelling gangs rob man woman and child ...

Does that mean gangs that travel around a lot or...

SEPT 23 1989

Shoot to kill

Noveight

Burglars with 20+ convictions in as many years don't fear the Gardaí or the courts and why would they? Free legal aid and soft suspended sentencing means Ireland is surely one of the best countries for the professional criminal.

If the only incentive for these scumbags to stop robbing houses is a greater likelihood of a shotgun out the letterbox then so be it. That will have to suffice until the government put another deterrent in place.

slavetothegrind

seamus wrote: »

Rural burglaries been declining steadily for years while they've skyrocketed in urban areas.

That doesn't suit the "be afraid, be very afraid" narrative though.

Based on what statistics?

Are we talking brutal assault for hours or a quick B&E?

In an urban area the nearest garda station is considerably closer than in a lot of rural areas, and response times quicker.

In a rural area even a muppet criminal could work out if i call in a crime here the one car on duty will be a half hour from where he is going to work.

dxhound2005

In the old days the muppet would have to work out which of the 3 hours out of 24 the lone Garda would be in the rural station.

Birdie Num Num

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Based on what statistics?

Are we talking brutal assault for hours or a quick B&E?

In an urban area the nearest garda station is considerably closer than in a lot of rural areas, and response times quicker.

In a rural area even a muppet criminal could work out if i call in a crime here the one car on duty will be a half hour from where he is going to work.

Not always a reality though. Half a hour would be as quick as it gets in some instances.

slavetothegrind

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Not always a reality though. Half a hour would be as quick as it gets in some instances.

True Birdie but harder to predict when the distances are smaller, i know it's not great in cities also as resources are thin.

John_Rambo

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Shoot to kill

That's all very Team America, well done. Unfortunately a lot of elderly people and parents with kids are not comfortable living with firearms and they're likely to have the firearm used against them or indeed targeted because they have a firearm!

However, I have no problem with an experienced arms handler (like a farmer/hunter) shooting a burglar with violent intent! I don't think anyone else would.

Criminal gangs have taken advantage of decades of bad planning along with local knowledge and intelligence and an excellent road system. The bad planning has acres and acres of what was once Irish countryside littered with houses sporadically build hither and tither with no real thinking on services.

One of those services is policing. An important one. What's slowly dawning on people is that it's impossible to police. The excellent road system (we all insisted on) has enabled free movement of gangs to get in, do their damage with lots of time and get out quickly.

With local scumbag intel on (lets say) a publican's/hair salon owner or similar cash reliant business owners house along with google maps and satellite imagery available at one click even the most stupid criminal can target a home, stake it out and do their devastating damage and have a few avenues of escape.

An unfortunate and devastating (for some people) affect of ridiculous, selfish, short term planning.

nice_guy80

most of these gangs are not using the motorways

they are criss-crossing the country at night using back roads and secondary roads

they scout the routes home in advance using sat nav and then used the saved routes.
avoiding towns where there are garda stations and also cctv cameras

donegaLroad

A few burglars drove from Cork to Donegal recently in a stolen car but were apprehended by the gardaí.

https://www.donegalnow.com/news/garda-detection-cork-burglars-donegal-warning-us/208237

dxhound2005

I hear very few reports of Bank and Post Office robberies in the news. Also tiger kidnaps and security van hold ups. They used to be more common, and obviously measure were taken to make them harder for the criminals.

Criminals will always move on to something else, and take the path of least resistance. Nowadays I would think that the big money is in online and phone scams.

donegaLroad

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I hear very few reports of Bank and Post Office robberies in the news. Also tiger kidnaps and security van hold ups. They used to be more common, and obviously measure were taken to make them harder for the criminals.

Criminals will always move on to something else, and take the path of least resistance. Nowadays I would think that the big money is in online and phone scams.

I have noticed a reduction in the amount of army escorted cash drops to banks lately. Maybe as people are using debit and credit cards for purchases now, there is a lot less people who have cash lying around the house.

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John_Rambo wrote: »

However, I have no problem with an experienced arms handler (like a farmer/hunter) shooting a burglar with violent intent! I don't think anyone else would.

Wouldn't expect anything less from you Mr Rambo :pac:

Ronan|Raven

A shotgun is the only thing a lot of those mobile gangs understand.

John_Rambo

Omackeral wrote: »

Wouldn't expect anything less from you Mr Rambo :pac:

They'd be impaled by bamboo stakes before they rang the doorbell!

tabby aspreme

donegaLroad wrote: »

A few burglars drove from Cork to Donegal recently in a stolen car but were apprehended by the gardaí.

https://www.donegalnow.com/news/garda-detection-cork-burglars-donegal-warning-us/208237

At the end of that article it lists the 4
garda stations open 24/7 in Donegal , not a lot for such a big area

mikemac2

The gangs aren’t operating without local knowledge. For every burglary there was someone who told them it was a good target

In rural North Tipp there was a string of breakins and a lot of farm equipment taken also by a gang from Linerick. When the gang got smashed by the Gardaí a local waster from the village was jailed for six months

On his release he couldn’t get served in the post office, the shop or either of the two pubs. Hey the Irish invented boycotting. In a city this is no issue but in a village you are as good as dead.

He fecked off to England last I heard but I doubt he’s working, never had a steady job in his life.

Ursus Horribilis

Even if there is a garda station open in the locality, it means feck all. The amount of policing many gardai do these days is laughable. No guard is going to come near your property if there's a chance they'll meet your burglars in person.

Doltanian

The disgusting sentences handed out by the liberal elite scumbag judges and the SJW parasite legal system is the entire problem.

If these robbing scumbags were locked up and given proper sentences then it would end the problem fast. The Death sentence and more liberal handgun laws for landowning citizens with clean criminal records and no mental health issues would go a long way to fixing it also.

elperello

Enter an occupied house to rob 5 minimum years.
Enter an occupied house and offer violence minimum 10 years.

Heckler

Doltanian wrote: »

The disgusting sentences handed out by the liberal elite scumbag judges and the SJW parasite legal system is the entire problem.

If these robbing scumbags were locked up and given proper sentences then it would end the problem fast. The Death sentence and more liberal handgun laws for landowning citizens with clean criminal records and no mental health issues would go a long way to fixing it also.

I live in a very crime free area with my elderly mother and I'm a licenced firearms holder (Handgun and rifle). If anyone came into her house and threatened her with harm and I had the chance to get to my firearms I would shoot them and take my chances with a jury. I'd rather be in prison and my mother alive than the alternative.

mynamejeff

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Even if there is a garda station open in the locality, it means feck all. The amount of policing many gardai do these days is laughable. No guard is going to come near your property if there's a chance they'll meet your burglars in person.

go to a court some time

gardai confront violent criminals day in day out

if you dont like the gardai then fair enough but why make up nonsense

Are Am Eye

elperello wrote: »

Enter an occupied house to rob 5 minimum years.
Enter an occupied house and offer violence minimum 10 years.

Respectfully no. Add a zero to each of them.

donegaLroad

tabby aspreme wrote: »

At the end of that article it lists the 4
garda stations open 24/7 in Donegal , not a lot for such a big area

I know a guard who was stationed in Buncrana in Inishowen, and a few years ago on one particular weekend, himself and 1 other guard were on duty on a Saturday night and they had to police the whole of Inishowen (40k people)

Nekarsulm

About 18 months ago I got a phone call from a neighbour. He was passing our land and saw a car reversed up the farm lane about 15 yards and 2 lads sitting in it. I was in the farmyard about 150 yards away, so walked back to the house and got my rifle.
Walked down the field to the lane in question, and stepped out over the wire behind the car.
Was memorizing the numberplate when they suddenly spotted me
Started and tore off, out onto the road without looking left or right.
Rang the local station 3 miles away, in the direction they were heading.
It was shut so got the larger station 12 miles away.
They had no car available but took the number make and colour of the car.
Rang back in about 2 minutes to check I had the correct number, as the plate didn't belong to the car I had seen.
I'll admit to being nervous about a possible return and breaking over the next few days.
Slept out in a wooded area along the lane the following Friday, Saturday and Sunday night with the gun, but they never returned.

It's a pity the local station was closed at the time, at least there would be a chance they would have gone that way and a Guard would have a chance of stopping them.

A local plumber came home one evening last summer to meet a Transit van coming down his lane.
He put his van crossways to stop them, and demanded to know what they were doing.
One guy got out, took out a small hatchet and put in the plumbers windscreen. Told him to reverse back or they would kill him.
He reversed and let them go.

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seamus wrote: »

If only it was possible to communicate with people over long distances without leaving your home, then people could report crimes.

Bolting themselves in after mid afternoon. Did you just get here from the 1940s?

Ridiculous Nonsense.

In fairness, although it may vary from station to station, in my experience, Garda stations won't take a report unless it's made in person.

I live in Drogheda, I can't ring the Gardai and make an official report about something (I can alert them to something, but not make a proper report that is logged. It has to be in-person).

donegaLroad

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, although it may vary from station to station, in my experience, Garda stations won't take a report unless it's made in person.

I live in Drogheda, I can't ring the Gardai and make an official report about something (I can alert them to something, but not make a proper report that is logged. It has to be in-person).

If you rang and said you shot a couple of intruders it might be a different story.