pilly wrote: » No I don't agree. The referendum will be voted for by all the citizens of Ireland, the CA is irrelevant to that vote. There is no legal basis for bringing this to the high court. CA recommendations are just that, recommendations, nothing legally binding in them. In fact the Oireachtas committee were free to ignore them and they did disagree with some. So in short, no, the referendum is needed, I don't see why either side would be afraid of the referendum. It's the ultimate power play to try to stop the referendum happening at all and only shows weakness.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » what do you think? they just want to delay a referendum they are terrified of losing. If they lose this referendum they have no reason for existence. Iona and the likes i mean.
splinter65 wrote: » Do you think that the referendum being carried will mean the end of RCC in Ireland? Why do you think that? The RCC is going strong in all kinds of places where there are abortions. That’s an interesting theory? Can you enlarge?
david75 wrote: » Theyre already getting ready for the church running schools and the right to die debates.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » who mentioned the end of the catholic church? I didn't.
splinter65 wrote: » I was listening out in the kitchen and I didn’t here any stammering but the point is, would you not prefer Pilly if the referendum went ahead based on a completely unbiased report from the CA? You do realize that if the referendum is carried now there will be endless cases to the High Court based on this ?
splinter65 wrote: » Amazing how unsurprised I am to find you here already moving on from killing people at one end to killing them at the other. When I’m picturing you now to be honest I’m seeing Pol Pot. I just can’t think of anyone else.
splinter65 wrote: » Do you think that the referendum being carried will mean the end of RCC in Ireland? Why do you think that?
seamus wrote: » It looks like an enquiry has already been carried out, the employee in question has been disciplined. What purpose would it serve to hand over millions of euro to judges and barristers in an "enquiry"? To what end?
Charmeleon wrote: » So you wouldn’t have a problem if a private firm who had sole responsibility for recruiting random people according to the demographics of the entire country, in order to produce a consensus opinion to guide the legislative committee turned out to have hired seven people from a recruiter’s prayer group, and a previous committee had earlier voted to recommend no change to the 8th ammendment? Sure thing then.
uptherebels wrote: » because if you have a completely random selection there is no guarantee that it will be balanced. I.e a random selection could have returned 99 teenagers or 99 pensioners. Would that have been balanced? So if you want balance there has to be limits and control. People going on about no representation from counties. RED C would have looked at the country as a whole. Tha'ts why 40 out of the 99 members came from the dublin or cork, which happen to be the biggest population concentrations in the country. Leitrim and longford don't have any because they have a combined population of approx 70,000. If red c are looking for a middle aged divorced lawyer where are they probably going to find them?
Loafing Oaf wrote: » The effective end of Catholic influence over the governing of the country. If abortion is liberalised, Ireland will be as secular as every other liberal democracy, bar a bit of i-dotting and t-crossing here and there...
Charmeleon wrote: » 3.3 million electors, 99 CA members. Each member has to represent around 33-34 thousand people. The selection can’t be anywhere near that specific, it could only be age, sex and geography. That’s why it is so concerning that the statisticians calculate only a 1 in 6,500 chance that a random geographic spread would exclude such large swathes of the country.
Fred Swanson wrote: » Education and hospitals. You forgot the hospitals. Once those are dealt with, the RCC can slope off do what ever they want.
splinter65 wrote: » Oh I would have said that that ship had sailed a long long time ago . How long is it since divorce came in? I’d say Ireland is already by far one of the most secular countries in the civilized world.
splinter65 wrote: » What about the hospitals? What problem have you got with how the hospitals are run? Most of the best hospitals in the world are affiliated to one of the Abrahamic religions.
splinter65 wrote: » Amazing how unsurprised I am to find you here already moving on from killing people at one end to killing them at the other.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Even with the 8th in force?
nozzferrahhtoo wrote: » Could you explain to me how giving someone the right to die at the end of their life is "killing them at the other end"? I do hope people generally know the difference between killing someone and giving them the option to choose how their own life ends.
splinter65 wrote: » Well Ireland’s maternal care record is top class, 8th or no 8th From WHOhttp://www.who.int/gho/maternal_health/countries/irl.pdf?ua=1 A bit like our schools, also coming the umbrella of the church
The picture that emerges from this work is very different from the situation described in the CSO data. The inquiry, which has just published its second report, says it has identified four times as many maternal deaths as the civil death registration system. There were 38 maternal deaths between 2009 and 2012, the report says. Ten were classified as direct maternal deaths, ie due to obstetric causes. Twenty-one deaths were indirect maternal deaths due to pre-existing conditions that were exacerbated by pregnancy. Another seven deaths of pregnant women were attributed to coincidental causes, but these are not included when calculating the maternal mortality rate. The rate of maternal mortality increased from 8.6 per 100,000 maternities in the period 2009-2011 to 10.5 in 2010-2012.
splinter65 wrote: » Would you be for assisted suicide or active euthanasia nozz?
splinter65 wrote: » My brother works in Switzerland and all their public holidays still tally with traditional Catholic Church holidays. .
applehunter wrote: » You can be in favour of repeal and also question media bias and point out the sham that were the processes that got us to a referendum.
