Tanjee83 wrote: » Khabib is 9 in UFC but 25 overall. Conor is 1 in UFC, but has also fought in multiple divisions. Which, if you re- read my comment, you would see is my entire point. Explain this... Khabib is 5’10” Conor is 5’8”..... by comparison, McGregor is an average sized FW and a smaller LW, while Khabib is an average sized LW. Diaz is 6’0” and McGregor is 5’8”..... Eddie Alvarez is 5’10”. When you factor the fact that the 2 Diaz fights happened at welterweight, things get into perspective more size wise. Now, if you had said that Nate Diaz had beat McGregor in the first fight on short notice, then I would agree with you 100%. As for the second fight, Conor won. It wasn’t a draw. It wasn’t a loss. It was a win. Going by your argument above, Khabib hasn’t completely dominated everyone he has fought. The truth is, within the MMA community, Khabibs record actually raises a lot of suspicion and questions and is viewed as severely padded. And he most definitely didn’t completely dominate over Eddie Barboza. And going off of that fight, he has a tough fight with Tony. If you remember, when Conor was stripped of FW, it caused a bit of a stir. Conor’s coach came out and questioned the stripping because he was never notified by the UFC about it. Dana came out and said that he spoke with Conor directly and told him to pick a division since he wasn’t going to allow him to hold up one division while defending the other. He was stripped very shortly after he won the LW title, giving him zero opportunities to defend. The irony of it all is that it seems that Conor has made his millions fighting in another sport, and still is holding up a division due to inactivity, and has yet to be stripped. The reason why Conor is very affective and efficient at what he does. I get it..... it’s only fair that there are Khabib nut huggers since there are Conor nut huggers. I think you need to know your fighters stats before you make your statement.
Tanjee83 wrote: » Explain this... Khabib is 5’10” Conor is 5’8”..... by comparison, McGregor is an average sized FW and a smaller LW, while Khabib is an average sized LW.
McGregor is 5’8”..... Eddie Alvarez is 5’10”.
Going by your argument above, Khabib hasn’t completely dominated everyone he has fought. The truth is, within the MMA community, Khabibs record actually raises a lot of suspicion and questions and is viewed as severely padded.And he most definitely didn’t completely dominate over Eddie Barboza. And going off of that fight, he has a tough fight with Tony.
I think you need to know your fighters stats before you make your statement.
Tanjee83 wrote: » Hunger is a mental bitch, and cutting weight is a terror, especially since muscle mass weights more. Imagine it, having to keep muscle weight for fighting purposes, but having to cut weight at the same time. It’s a complete oxymoron of a concept.
CatFromHue wrote: » I'd read that as a plug for his Whiskey and not for a Croker event
You appear to be confusing height with size. There is a co-relation obviously, but using height as an absolutely measure of size is pretty stupid. Mark Hunt is 5'10" - which should put the whole thing to rest.
Not sure where you pulled those stats from. We can say for certain they are incorrect though. Both Eddie and Conor are listed at 5'9" on their official profiles. I'm not going to suggest those heights are perfectly accurate - but if anyone is taller, it's not Eddie. That's obvious from the 205 photos
Seriously? It was absolutely dominant in Khabibs favour. The stats highlights pretty clearly. 7 out of 9 rounds on the official score cards were 10-8 in Khabibs favour (30-24 and 30-25 x2). The majority of the 18 media scored it 30-25 for Khabib. Some were 30-26 or 30-24. Honestly, have you seen that fight?
Muscle doesn't weight more. A lb of muscle of tissue weighs a lb, regardless of it being fat or muscle. Muscle mass is made up of water, fat isn't. And since weight cutting involves dehydration, carrying a higher % of muscle mass (for a given weight) makes the weight cut easier, not harder.
Tanjee83 wrote: » No, I’m not. I was responding to the person who said that Khabib is smaller FW than Conor, so I posted height of other fighters he named as a reference that size is a combo of height, weight, body mass, reach. Khabib is a big boy. Conor is not such a big boy. Khabib is def bigger than Conor. Khabib is def using weight class manipulation to his advantage.
Tanjee83 wrote: » Cyborg is my main example in this..... UFC won’t provide her her natural class, so in order to fight, she is forced to cut weight. Not to mention how many fighters have had medical emergencies because of weight cutting. Weight cutting is not easy.
Tanjee83 wrote: » No, I’m not. I was responding to the person who said that Khabib is smaller FW than Conor, so I posted height of other fighters he named as a reference that size is a combo of height, weight, body mass, reach.
Various sites have various information. UFC says they both are 5’9”, so for argument sake, since they are both UFC contracted fighters, 5’9” it is. But, if You stick your chin out and pull your shoulders back, you can make yourself appear bigger and more threatening than your opponent.
The 10-8 rule is bull**** and treats MMA as an offensive sport. It based on judge’s consideration of the two fighters, which is where we end up with dangerous situations like Priscilla VS Valentina where refs start deciding not to call a fight to give the other fighter a chance.
Moreover, if the 10-8 rule is considered, then at least make the bout 5 rounds versus 3 rounds. MMA is a skill based sport, and one round one fighter can dominate, while the next 3 rounds a fighter can switch the game plan and dominate.
Muscle mass weighs more because it’s skeletal. I think you’re thinking of lean muscle, which is different to muscle mass. Lean muscle is made up of more water,
hence why fighters will flush their bodies out with dehydration and no salt intake. If fighters lost muscle mass, they wouldn’t be able to fight after flushing out their bodies. Moreover, it would take too long to lose and too long to gain back. That is why fighters can drop 20-30 pounds 5 days leading up to weigh in, while still doing intense training camps to keep their muscle mass, because they can gain that water loss weight back in 24 hours, and still be mean fighting machines and not affect their performance.
Weight cutting is not easy. It is extremely dangerous, and there needs to be the guarantee that that weight can be gained back in a very rapid time frame in order to fight. It also is class manipulation. Performance drugs are illegal, but cutting 20-30 pounds for weigh ins 3 times a year is perfectly legal. Not all fighters need to drop that weight, and are true weights of their division.
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billybonkers wrote: » Struggling to see Conor beat either Khabib/Tony at the moment. Actually think that Lee and Vick would trouble him
ricero wrote: » Very impressed with Vick. Really think he will have a title shot within the next 12 months
kumate_champ07 wrote: » Gunnar Nelson, Stipe Miocic, Cain Velasquez , Demetrious Johnson
Never wrestle with pigs wrote: » Is he training, working out keeping fit or building his gas tank even at the moment?
dave1982 wrote: » Im sure everyone else on that list was injured too btw
pudzey101 wrote: » conor will be stripped, ferguson vs khabib for the title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ4uobZzVWU
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