2wsxcde3 wrote: » We now have two straight men getting married in order to defraud the tax man. That's only after two years. Same sex marriage is still in experimental mode and its already throwing up problems.
WhiteRoses wrote: » No proof then, just as I thought. It’s ok to have an opinion but you can’t go around claiming everyone is riding all around them as fact. It isn’t true.
2wsxcde3 wrote: » The "freedom" is just an illusion. Are young people free to say they intend to wait until marriage to have sex? No they are not. They are immediately looked upon by their piers as being weird (the same piers that have been brainwashed by the media and don't realize it). There is no freedom when it comes to sex for young people. You have to do things the way other people do it, the way dictated by the media and the left. And that means you are weird unless you are having sex.
Andrew Beef wrote: » “Fornication” is a term for extra-martial sex. To answer your question, a woman being forced into motherhood is the lesser of two evils compared with the killing of an unborn child. If women (and men) want to fornicate, they must accept the possibility of a baby being conceived. Abortion is a “get out of jail free” card that neither the male nor the female protaganists should be allowed.
david75 wrote: » The PLC bots are becoming blatantly obvious at this stage. Same circular nonsensical points, endless nimbyism, little grasp of what the referendum is actually about and knock out blow, Nobody in the real world has even used the word fornication for about 20 years.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » No We have a gay man marrying his straight best friend in order to avoid inheritance tax. It could happen with a straight couple and could have happened with a gay civil partnered couple. There is no experimental mode. There is no fraud. There is no problem. Wrong, wrong and wrong again.
Orion wrote: » Has happened with straight couples. Not could have.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Your McCarthyite reds under the bed stuff is very odd.
2wsxcde3 wrote: » Very odd is it?Teenagers feel under pressure to have sexALMOST ONE-THIRD of teenage girls and 8 per cent of boys have come under pressure to start having sex, according to research presented yesterday by the Crisis Pregnancy Agency (CPA). Research carried out by the agency has found that young people who engage in sex before the age of consent – 17 years – are more likely to experience crisis pregnancy, to have an abortion and to contract a sexually-transmitted disease. “Young people who had sex at an early age were also more likely to express regret – to say that they wished they waited longer,” said Prof Hannah McGee of the Royal College of Surgeons at the launch.Teenage sexual activity was highly culturally influenced, she said, and “myths” of early sexual experience abounded. Caroline Spillane, director of the CPA, said young people experienced immense pressure from their peers, boyfriends and girlfriends, and the media, but differed in their ability to cope with these pressures.(Source: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/teenagers-feel-under-pressure-to-have-sex-1.790521 ) Teenage sexual activity was highly culturally influenced ...by the media. In other words, its not their own choice. They feel under pressure to have sex. So the media is causing alot of the problem and then they need to force an abortion referendum on people to fix the problem they helped create.
captbarnacles wrote: » The latest two prolifers to the thread are clearly on a wind-up. Rape committees and no sex before marriage to thwart the liberals?
pilly wrote: » I've got an idea Ted, we can't stop people having abortions so we'll stop them fornicating! Brilliant Dougal!
JupiterKid wrote: » the so called “pro-life” brigade who rally against sex education and easily available contraception as it will turn virginal pure young girls into shameless hussies who will murder their unborn babies at the first opportunity. Utterly distorted, self-defeatist thinking.
Andrew Beef wrote: » January wrote: » I was married when I had an abortion. (ó still am married just as an FYI to the same person). I was not married when I had my very unplanned pregnancy that I decided to keep (same father still). Unplanned pregnancies happen to married people too. If it’s not too personal a line of questioning, and please feel free not to answer, why did you have an abortion and do you regret it at all?
January wrote: » I was married when I had an abortion. (ó still am married just as an FYI to the same person). I was not married when I had my very unplanned pregnancy that I decided to keep (same father still). Unplanned pregnancies happen to married people too.
2wsxcde3 wrote: » Maybe the media could present young people with both sides of the argument:You can have sex now if you want to and with whoever you want. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex until marriage. A bit like the message at the moment "Its ok not to be ok". Maybe we need a message "Its ok not to have sex until marriage". At the moment the media gives no choice, hence why young people feel pressurized into having sex as per the article at the top of this page and finding themselves going down the difficult abortion route as a result. But of course the media wont present a choice. If they did, young people might think its ok to think along conservative lines and so they might vote against a liberal abortion regime. So the media will make sure no choice is put to young people. Its "You're weird if you're not having sex" and nothing else.
January wrote: » I've spoken about it here before so ive no problem discussing it. It was a litany of reasons, number 1 was we couldn't afford another child. We were both out of work on social welfare barely getting by week to week (I had to borrow the money for the online donation for pills). Number 2 was I actually didn't want anymore children even if we could afford it really we had 4 already. 3 was id had 2 previous cesareans the chance of me having another was high and I really didn't want anyone cutting my abdomen open again. I could go on. I had a lot of reasons but the biggest one was that we couldnt afford to bring another child into the world. Do I regret it? No. Not even a little bit. That doesn't mean it wasn't a hard decision to make (even though I had already thought of what my options were before I had gotten pregnant so I already had an idea of what would happen if I did get pregnant). It was the right decision for my family at the time and if I had to go back in time I'd still make the same decision as I made.
pleas advice wrote: » :rolleyes:
Edward M wrote: » January wrote: » I've spoken about it here before so ive no problem discussing it. It was a litany of reasons, number 1 was we couldn't afford another child. We were both out of work on social welfare barely getting by week to week (I had to borrow the money for the online donation for pills). Number 2 was I actually didn't want anymore children even if we could afford it really we had 4 already. 3 was id had 2 previous cesareans the chance of me having another was high and I really didn't want anyone cutting my abdomen open again. I could go on. I had a lot of reasons but the biggest one was that we couldnt afford to bring another child into the world. Do I regret it? No. Not even a little bit. That doesn't mean it wasn't a hard decision to make (even though I had already thought of what my options were before I had gotten pregnant so I already had an idea of what would happen if I did get pregnant). It was the right decision for my family at the time and if I had to go back in time I'd still make the same decision as I made. And you need offer no apology for your decision, you felt that right for you and your family. There is no doubt in my mind that such decisions aren't easily made. Just one question, given that you had your mind made up, probably anyway, prior to the pregnancy, why not consider having your tubes tied? I ask this as someone who had a vasectomy due to the same issue, my wife's last birth was hard, I decided on the course of action with her rather than have her go through another procedure herself.
January wrote: » I've asked and been told I need to lose a lot of weight before I get it done. This was before the abortion BTW about 2 months after that I got pregnant. Because I missed the follow up appt (I hadn't lost the weight in the 6 months I was given) I was put back in the waiting list which is long. We couldn't afford it privately. Don't worry I was way ahead of you just **** happens.
JupiterKid wrote: » It’s funny, isn’t it? Teenage pregnancies here in Ireland have seen huge drops in recent years as proper sex education has finally made its way to all schools, despite fierce and bitter resistance from religious right wing types. In every country where sex education has been implemented and enhanced, teen pregnancy rates have dropped. Doesn’t tally with the so called “pro-life” brigade who rally against sex education and easily available contraception as it will turn virginal pure young girls into shameless hussies who will murder their unborn babies at the first opportunity. Utterly distorted, self-defeatist thinking.
Edward M wrote: And you need offer no apology for your decision, you felt that right for you and your family. There is no doubt in my mind that such decisions aren't easily made. Just one question, given that you had your mind made up, probably anyway, prior to the pregnancy, why not consider having your tubes tied? I ask this as someone who had a vasectomy due to the same issue, my wife's last birth was hard, I decided on the course of action with her rather than have her go through another procedure herself.
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