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School Shooting in Parkland, Florida

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Breaking story via the BBC - reports of multiple casualties with a shooter still inside the school.

edit: report from Fox News:

Authorities also said students and teachers should remain barricaded in the school until they could be reached by police

Dispatch at the Broward Sheriff’s Office confirmed the school was on lockdown and police were on location.

According to WSVN, the Margate Fire Rescue team described the scene as a mass casualty incident, which reportedly means at least 20 people were injured.

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/963861452678246401

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Jim Bob Scratcher

pleas advice wrote: »

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and they wonder why these things happen

pleas advice

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Here's the suspect

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nick-cruz-parkland-florida-shooting-stoneman-douglas-high-school

Douglas High has a place students call “the Emo Gazebo,” he said. “That’s where all the kids that are considered weird or not accepted sat. Kids at the Emo Gazebo didn’t even accept him there. He was just an outcast...He didn’t have any friends.”

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Hitman3000

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote:

Here's the suspect

So Cruz was previously identified as a threat( being socially awkward probably futhered his isolation and sense of grievance) to the school but was still allowed access to military grade weaponry.....what could possibly go wrong?.....

Jim Bob Scratcher

Here's the suspect

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nick-cruz-parkland-florida-shooting-stoneman-douglas-high-school

steddyeddy

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Schools in the States do shooter drills where the kids practice what to do when there is an active gunman on campus i.e. go to a designated hiding place or hide under their tables and stay quiet.

I'm currently in a government lab and we have to do active shooter drills. Not gun control because that would be silly, just drills for when the unavoidable happens.

jamesbere

According to cnn the suspect passed a background check to buy the gun at 18yo but its illegal to buy a handgun under 21.
Baffling law really

Hitman3000

Cookie_Monster wrote:

so I won't be bothering any more with you.

Thankfully.

Cookie_Monster

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I don't argue with fools lest onlookers can't tell the difference.

I, unfortunately, seem to have made that mistake already.

Anyway it's become clear you just want to make stupid, unverifiable claims and not actual address any point that going on here so I won't be bothering any more with you.

Manic Moran

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep. Plus the bump stock makes a complete ass of the law related to the banning of automatic weapons.

Out of mild curiousity, are such devices banned in any other country? If I were to look at French law, for example, is there a paragraph/line that says "bump stocks, as defined by... are forbidden"?

The reason I ask is that they don't actually modify the weapon's action, which is why they were not regulated by the ATF the previous time it came up. The problem is in passing effective legislation which defines them. For example, this rifle uses a perfectly ordinary wooden stock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUF-eqSliA . All the bump stock does is make easier a technique which can be learned with a little practice. Basically, training wheels on a bike.

NIMAN

Another day, another shooting.

Leaders and politicians can say whatever they want, but as long as they do nothing to change it, it will continue ad nauseum.

Hitman3000

Cookie_Monster wrote:

Ignorance of what, some cryptic point you are trying to make?

I don't argue with fools lest onlookers can't tell the difference.

Cookie_Monster

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I have addressed you several times about the Olympics and the weapons used

no you haven't, you've ignored the question repeatedly.
Is the sole purpose of an olympic target rifle to kill? If so how do you come to that conclusion. The origin of guns is not relevant to the discussion.

I asked you a question so far you have refused to answer.

I answered in the post you just quoted. But just in case: I assume zero but have no intention of checking since it is totally irrelevant to the discussion

I can only assume it would highlight a level of ignorance if you did. Maybe you right in avoiding it.

Ignorance of what, some cryptic point you are trying to make?

Grab All Association

I have a friend in Pompano/Deerfield who only found out about it because I texted her. 30 minutes later the school she works in was put on lockdown. There was a delay notifying other schools so I assume at the time of Sky news breaking the story they still weren’t sure what was happening.

The Backwards Man

Hitman3000 wrote: »

The country is fine, it's the inhabitants that are the problem.

Aye, I remember once being on the beer with a Canadian fella in Nevada once, this typical redneck comes in, seems alright but the barman won't serve him, leaves in a strop. Canuck says to me, back in Moose Jaw ( that's where he was from, how cool is that?) or in Donegal that would be the last we'll see of him, but wait and see. Sure enough, the bucko comes back in the bar with a shotgun, didn't get too far mind, but totally different mindset.

joeysoap

Hitman3000 wrote: »

That's who I was referring too.

I get it now.

Hitman3000

joeysoap wrote:

Sorry, I didnâ€™t mean you, I meant the panjandrums. Sounded like he talking about living in America.

That's who I was referring too.

joeysoap

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Murica

Sorry, I didn’t mean you, I meant the panjandrums. Sounded like he talking about living in America.

[Deleted User]

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It still begs the question of need for a civilian population to access to what is essentially a military weapon.

Yep. Plus the bump stock makes a complete ass of the law related to the banning of automatic weapons.

Hitman3000

Panjandrums wrote:

This post has been deleted.

Maybe because I asked a specific question? But you decided to answer one I didn't ask...wonder why?

Zirconia

Panjandrums wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Well there's a big difference between a semi-automatic Ar15 and a point 22 magazineless single shot bolt action target rifle. No civilian should have access to automatic, semi-automatic, magazine/revolver, or concealable (i.e. handgun) weapons, ever!

Hitman3000

The Backwards Man wrote:

I like the USA, believe it or not, but Jesus it is one fcuked up country.

The country is fine, it's the inhabitants that are the problem.

Panjandrums

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The Backwards Man

I like the USA, believe it or not, but Jesus it is one fcuked up country.

Hitman3000

Cookie_Monster wrote:

I'd guess at none, so what does that have to do with anything. You stated the sole purpose of a gun is to inflict harm or death, explain to me how you see an Olympic rifle's only purpose being to harm or kill given you are obvious aware of what it is actually used for.

I have addressed you several times about the Olympics and the weapons used I asked you a question so far you have refused to answer. I can only assume it would highlight a level of ignorance if you did. Maybe you right in avoiding it.

Hitman3000

Panjandrums wrote:

This post has been deleted.

Yet you haven't contradicted me or answered my question about mass killings with automatic or semiautomatic weapons since 2013 btw the AR 15 that was used in this killing a similar weapon or variant has been used in 9 other mass killings. It was you who brought up the topic of cars and bikes in China, and you want to accuse me of nonsense .......

Manic Moran

Noveight wrote: »

Panjandrums wrote: »

Nice was an accident? And other terrorist acts using vehicles were accidents?

Of the total use of motor vehicles, what percentage are used for crime?

Of the total use of guns, what percentage are used for crime?

Throw an estimate on those two numbers, compare them and then you might see why you're being ridiculous.

Damned iPad ate my response, after spending a half-hour looking it up. I thought it was worth checking, as I don’t recall anyone ever doing it before. The most surprising result I got is that cars are used for suicide about as often as firearms are (Carbon monoxide, usually). There are about as many cars as firearms in the US, in total they kill about as many people. (Cars kill more if you count the suicides)

So, the short version is that the FBI indicates some 8,000 murders by firearm, and an additional 285,000 “non fatal victimizations” with a firearm, which includes about 128,000 robberies, and 135,000 aggravated assaults. So, somewhere under a half-million. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv15.pdf

Only 300 folks were murdered by car, plus 11,000 or so DUI deaths. Probably a number of accidents were caused by improper lane changes, illegal u-turns, texting while driving, and whatever other “crimes”, (3,500for distracted driving), (basically idiot driving), but we’ll ignore those. To my astonishment, both Bureau of Transportation and MADD indicate some 110million incidents of DUI in the US a year, with 1.1 million arrests. I have been unable offhand to find any statistic showing crimes in which a vehicle was an integral part (eg getaway car for a robbery, kidnapping, used to transport drugs, or used in a burglary to transport ill-gotten goods), that sort of thing. I would not be surprised to discover a reasonably large percentage of firearms crimes also involved a vehicle as a result, plus add those not involving a firearm.

So the bottom line seems to be that cars are used for crimes more often in general, and used to put people at risk in commission of a crime more often. I learn something.

The consensus for Remington’s bankruptcy in the firearms community isn’t that there is a downturn in demand for rifles, it’s that they have failed to update their product line and provide firearms which the consumer wants.

Cookie_Monster

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Nothing obtuse at all. Again deal with my question how many mass shootings can be attributed to bearers of target pistols or target rifles?

I'd guess at none, so what does that have to do with anything. You stated the sole purpose of a gun is to inflict harm or death, explain to me how you see an Olympic rifle's only purpose being to harm or kill given you are obvious aware of what it is actually used for.

Panjandrums

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Mutant z

Lowlife scum.

pleas advice

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Interestingly gun sales and ownership rates have collapsed recently, so much so Remington has gone bankrupt this week

oh no, it'll be Magnum PI next...

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

you might want to tell the Bi-athletes in Korea competing right now about that :rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_patrol