Harry Palmr wrote: » The idiot gubberment thinks Waterford cannot justify a standalone university so we're saddled with the prospect of a University of the South East in conjunction with Carlow IT. Words fail me. Someone mentioned the Glass and skilled labour, you may as well be talking about boiler making. Most of the jobs lost were 20-30 years ago, what skills remain are now scattered across some small boutique glass makers and the "faux" Waterford Crystal factory at their showroom on the Mall.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Sam Russell wrote: » Waterford has the Waterford Institute of Technology, which is a proto-University. It has a port that could be useful if there is a hard Brexit. It used to have Waterford Glass so has skilled workers. It has a Motorway to Dublin. It even has a greenway. What more could you want? The port is in Kilkenny as anyone who mentions it keeps being told. :P Son;t forget the expansion of Waterford City was put on the back burner because of bizarre objections from KK residents (mostly from north of the county) who were against this "land grab". As long as things as simple as allowing Waterford Cty to expand north of the river and Ferrybank can't proceed, then what hope have we for large scale plans such as 2040. I remember being involved in initial consultations with this plan about 18 months ago and the big takeaway was: 1. Dart Underground has to happen. No ifs or buts. 2. Disincentivize HARSHLY one off building in rural areas. Make it prohibitively expensive for services, unless there are genuine reasons for the build (there never are) like agriculture etc. 3. Disincentivize people moving to Dublin and start concentrating on making Cork a proper counterweight. Not piecemeal; plan for it to be a real 500k city over the next 50 years. --- The Dáil rows today just show that no one seems to see the benefits of these sorts of strategies at all. It's beyond parody.
Sam Russell wrote: » Waterford has the Waterford Institute of Technology, which is a proto-University. It has a port that could be useful if there is a hard Brexit. It used to have Waterford Glass so has skilled workers. It has a Motorway to Dublin. It even has a greenway. What more could you want?
Sam Russell wrote: » If there is a history of industry, workers learn new skills easier than if there is no history. Waterford also had a foundry making Waterford Stanley ranges - I am not sure if it is still there - I think it was taken over by Aga.
Shurimgreat wrote: » How many years before planning and building is completed? 5? 10? Unfortunately Dublin needs new accommodation now. 8000 units in 5 or 10 years won't cut it. The current building of residential units is something like 1000 a year in Dublin. But many times that move to Dublin every year, eg students for college. If half of students remain in Dublin after they qualify, which is likely what is happening given most new jobs appear to be in Dublin, then its a real problem. The whole thing is unsustainable.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Stanley still exists but lost 30 jobs last year, the place has about 25 employees. had 600 in the mid 60s, the Glass had 3000 up until 1990. Which illustrates the way forward. The future of Waterford has to be on 21st century technology not harking back to fashioning lumps of metal into something you fire a light in to. Hence the need for a tech biased University.
Sam Russell wrote: » Harry Palmr wrote: » Stanley still exists but lost 30 jobs last year, the place has about 25 employees. had 600 in the mid 60s, the Glass had 3000 up until 1990. Which illustrates the way forward. The future of Waterford has to be on 21st century technology not harking back to fashioning lumps of metal into something you fire a light in to. Hence the need for a tech biased University. Making stuff still has a value. A lot of tech jobs have a row of people staring into computer screens.
cgcsb wrote: » We're talking about the Ireland 2040 plan not necessarily right now. There is no solution 'right now'
Topgear on Dave wrote: This sort of stuff should worry us, if money can move in to Ireland for tax reasons it can just as easily move out.
Electric Sheep wrote: » Staring into screens and writing the code that runs the applications on your pc, tablet and smartphone. Creating a great deal of value.
Shurimgreat wrote: » I agree. Its about setting a direction for the country. However you can have the greatest of plans but if you don't face reality and facts on the ground its pointless. Ireland has about as much chance of putting a man on Mars in the next 5 years as Dublin has of solving its accommodation crisis. Land is ridiculously expensive in Dublin for building on, prohibitive even which puts off most builders. The provisions for social housing, VAT payments and other taxes also turn them off. In addition renting out properties can be a nightmare for landlords and only worthwhile if they charge huge rents. Abolishing tax on rent for landlords would encourage more landlords into the market. The more jobs you put in Dublin, inevitably the more housing pressure and higher rents. Any national development plan should look to restrict population increases in Dublin not encourage them.
Sam Russell wrote: » Electric Sheep wrote: » Staring into screens and writing the code that runs the applications on your pc, tablet and smartphone. Creating a great deal of value. But call centres - not so much.
Reati wrote: » What a sh*tty attitude. Seriously. They pay taxes for those services just like you. Public services are not a business or profit making exercise. All people who live in this county deserve the necessary public services no matter where they choose to live.
onedmc wrote: » Thats where your wrong, they don't pay their taxes just like everyone else. Dublin accounts for over 80% of the tax take in Ireland.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Another one of those misleading statistics which I for one am tiring of. No-one disputes that most well paying jobs are in Dublin. No-one should dispute either that most young people are forced to live and work and pay their taxes in Dublin, despite the fact a large percentage come from a rural/non Dublin background. Dublin is like a black hole sucking people in from outside of Dublin. They have no choice but to become part of the chaos. The choice of jobs outside Dublin is poor to say the least. Encouraging more people into Dublin is not the answer. Most people apart from a few hold outs know this. Brave policies need to be implemented by our politicians in taking the focus away from Dublin including putting on hold major new jobs announcements for Dublin. Its never ideal turning away new jobs. But for the sanity of Dubliners and to ease the accommodation crisis it needs to be done. There are only so many sardines you can squeeze into a tin.
Idbatterim wrote: good luck with that, they can try and effect change, but it will have very little to no impact. You think even if there were more or certain jobs in athlone, limerick, that they are in any way comparable to Dublin?
Tell me how wrote: » In what way would they not be. In your view?
Sam Russell wrote: Pay.
Idbatterim wrote: » really? do you know how much zoned land there is in Dublin? all they have to do is make apartment construction far cheaper, ditch dual aspect being a requirement, all of the underground parking in central areas, reduce lift core ratio. Dont want one of these apartments, buy or rent one of the other tens of thousands of existing ones out there... Wait till you see how much residential then starts flying up, the amount of hotels and student accommodation being built is staggering here, same with commercial. Do you know why that is? because it makes bloody economic sense for developers, unlike residential. With the current situation and parameters.guess what you get then, way more apartments, way more social housing, way more state income from construction. So you tell me why they are not implementing this, when the changes dont just cost nothing, would actually deliver a fortune windfall! What are the existing residents worried about in Ranelagh, Terenure and countless other suburbs worried about? That those areas will be raised to the ground for apartments :rolleyes: I dont even think property prices for houses or apartments in those areas would fall, they just wouldnt rise as much. you do realise that prices here are rising because of massive demand, that the government has slammed a massive brake on? As part of the rural v urban (mainly Dublin) agenda and also as current Councillors dont want more development in their area. It is at local and national level here...
Tell me how wrote: » Care to expand on that? In a way that's a valid argument?
Idbatterim wrote: » good luck with that, they can try and effect change, but it will have very little to no impact. You think even if there were more or certain jobs in athlone, limerick, that they are in any way comparable to Dublin?
Sam Russell wrote: » I know someone who was earning €80 k in Dublin but could find no job paying even half that down the country. There were no jobs paying even close to half the Dublin rate for the same level of job. [Accountancy - Financial Controller]
Sam Russell wrote: » Tell me how wrote: » Care to expand on that? In a way that's a valid argument? I know someone who was earning €80 k in Dublin but could find no job paying even half that down the country. There were no jobs paying even close to half the Dublin rate for the same level of job. [Accountancy - Financial Controller]
Tell me how wrote: » Obviously you have to take my word for this but I know someone with that role in Shannon and they are on north of 80K. Significantly north. I understand your premise but a lot of people would accept less salaries for more balanced quality of life and reduced commuting and child care costs.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Meanwhile in the real world, less than 1000 residential units were built in Dublin in 2016. It will take decades for new residential units to catch up with demand. So high property and rental prices are here to stay for Dublin. People need to cop themselves onto that fact and stop burying their heads in the sand.
pilly wrote: » I don't know how you reckon reduced child care costs? A lot of people rely on family for child care, if they move away from them then they have very much increased costs.
