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Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

J C

I don't believe that a Christian can morally vote for unlimited abortion.

The Sixth Commandment is very simple and very clear ... 'Thou shalt not kill'.

It means that you cannot kill yourself or another Human Being, except in self defence (or the defence of another Human Being) where no other option is available.
This is the basis for all laws protecting the person and criminalising the killing of other people in Common Law Jurisprudence.

Induced abortion is ethically and morally wrong ... except where the life of the mother is directly threatened and there is no other option available to save her.

This is the current law in Ireland.

Voting to expand Irish Law to allow the unlimited killing of unborn children is not something that any Christian (or other monotheist, indeed) can do in conscience and in clear contravention of the Sixth Commandment of God.

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ouxbbkqtswdfaw

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God doesnâ€™t operate on a physical plane, He operates on a spiritual plane, which we can never discern.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

This spiritual plane we cannot see, feel, or touch, except with spiritual eyes.

Delirium

MOD NOTE

owney, please keep to the topic.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Delirium wrote:

owney, please keep to the topic.

Listen, Mod, I'm finished. Thank you so much.

Stonedpilot

A Christian cannot support abortion in anyway, if they do they simply aren't Christian. Period.

Thou shalt not kill. It really is that simple.

J C

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You're the one doing what you erroneously claim that I'm doing.:)

J C

Bob_Marley wrote: »

Because the pro-abortion lobby in Ireland would have an apoplectic fit if the child lived.

... in both the US and UK children don't tend to survive late abortions anymore ... they are euthenased in the womb ... and checked for a heartbeat to make sure they are dead, before delivery.

... and the main reason cited for the repeal of the 8th is so that no Irishwoman will have to travel to England for any abortion ... and this logically implies the harmonisation of Irish abortion law with the English law ... if the 8th is repealed.

J C

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The Silent Scream is a factual documentary, showing ultra-sound images of an actual abortion ... and the unborn baby squirming in pain trying to get away from the abortion suction device that was literally tearing it limb from limb.
It isn't some fictional horror movie, as you suggest ... its a non-fiction movie on the horror that is an actual abortion.

Nothing deceptive, misleading or scientifically incorrect, about that.

... a nightmare ... and horrific ... I'll grant you that ... but only because abortion itself, is horrific.

J C

pilly wrote: »

The level of hysteria that's being resorted to in here is madness. Now we're talking about euthanizing new-borns?

Try telling that to the Dutch and the Belgians ... where euthanizing new-borns and older children is legal !!!

pilly wrote: »

When all else fails resort to hysteria. Hyperbole of the highest order and disgusting carry on.

There is no hyperbole ... the thing is so outrageous that hyperbole couldn't exceed the reality.

... and has any person (who is in favour of repealing the 8th) condemned the legal euthanizing of children in Belgium and Holland?
... answer ... nobody, that I'm aware of.

... it is all part of the continuum that is the 'culture of death' ... starting with the killing of the unborn in abortion ... and ending with the killing of the born with euthenasia.

If the 8th is repealed unborn children will have no constitutional protection from being killed ... and all unborn children up to 12 weeks can be legally killed on demand. This isn't hyperbole either ... it is the fact of the matter of what is being proposed.

It will be a very sick society, if this comes to pass ... because we will then have a situation where frog-spawn (which has absolute legal protection) ... will be vastly more legally privileged than 12 week unborn children (who will have no legal protection).

How sick is that???

david75

J C wrote: »

The Silent Scream is a factual documentary, showing ultra-sound images of an actual abortion ... and the unborn baby squirming in pain trying to get away from the abortion suction device that was literally tearing it limb from limb.
It isn't some fictional horror movie, as you suggest ... its a non-fiction movie on the horror that is an actual abortion.

Nothing deceptive, misleading and scientifically incorrect, about that.

Let me guess!!

It’s ON YOUTUBE and it’s therefore TOTALLY FACTUAL!

Water John

You have just opened at least two threads with the same post. Stop trolling.

pilly

david75 wrote:

Let me guess!!

If it's typed in bold it must be true.

J C

pilly wrote: »

Or indeed the thailidomide babies who were left to die because they were deformed.

What are you talking about?
The Thailidomide scandal ... had nothing to do with any church.

pilly

J C wrote:

What are you talking about? The Thailidomide scandal ... had nothing to do with any church.

More bold, yawn.

Yes it did involve the church when the nuns left the poor babies to die because they weren't deemed worthy of life. And didn't have any monetary value for them either.

J C

david75 wrote: »

Let me guess!!

It’s ON YOUTUBE and it’s therefore TOTALLY FACTUAL!

It's a film recording an actual abortion ... and it therefore is totally factual!

J C

pilly wrote: »

More bold, yawn.

Yes it did involve the church when the nuns left the poor babies to die because they weren't deemed worthy of life. And didn't have any monetary value for them either.

... what are you talking about?
... the children involved had no issues other than limb defects (serious and all that these were) ... and they were reared by their loving families ... and most are still alive today ... and living quite normal lives.

david75

J C wrote: »

It's a film recording an actual abortion ... and it therefore is TOTALLY FACTUAL!

How do you hear a silent scream? Maybe it’s your inner child screaming at you to stop believing anything you see on YouTube. I can show you videos proving[/] that aliens live among us and David Quinn is a lizard person.

It doesn’t make it factual.

end of the road

david75 wrote: »

How do you hear a silent scream? Maybe it’s your inner child screaming at you to stop believing anything you see on YouTube. I can show you videos proving[/] that aliens live among us and David Quinn is a lizard person.

It doesn’t make it factual.

the video is factual. there is no getting away from it. no amount of denial will change the reality that it's the factual account of an abortion taking place.

J C

david75 wrote: »

How do you hear a silent scream? Maybe it’s your inner child screaming at you to stop believing anything you see on YouTube.

You don't hear it ... you see the silent scream of an unborn child that is being aborted via ultrasound imaging of an actual abortion, as it writhes in agony ... ironically at 12 weeks (given what we are being asked to vote for currently).

You can see the movie on you tube ... but viewer discretion is very much advised. Please do not access the movie, if you are squeamish.

I am deliberately not providing a link, because of some of the very disturbing, but factual images shown.

david75

Wow. You’re a bold one JC.

I’m selling a lovely property festooned with unicorns in narnia while you’re buying every nonsense you come across.

david75

God t’s mad. 12 weeks and they have fully formed hearts brains eyes minds of their own and now they can scream while suspended in fluid??
This is a miracle! And a scientific breakthrough!

Watch. They’ll all have their own mobile phones next. Maybe they can call you for help.

J C

david75 wrote: »

Wow. You’re a bold one JC.

I’m selling a lovely property festooned with unicorns in narnia while you’re buying every nonsense you come across.

Please have some respect for the 50 million unborn children killed in America since 1973 ... and nearer to home as well.
Every one is a personal tragedy for the child involved ... and in most cases, for their mothers as well.

J C

david75 wrote: »

God t’s mad. 12 weeks and they have fully formed hearts brains eyes minds of their own and now they can scream while suspended in fluid??
This is a miracle! And a scientific breakthrough!

Watch. They’ll all have their own mobile phones next. Maybe they can call you for help.

... yes they are a little miracle of God's loving creation ... and they do have hearts, brains and minds of their own and they can 'scream' while suspended in fluid ... which is why the 'scream' is silent ... but no less heart-wrenching, because of this.

Have you forgotten that they look like this at 12 weeks???

The above image is courtesy of MedlinePlus, which is a US government online information service produced by the United States National Library of Medicine.

david75 wrote: »

Watch. They’ll all have their own mobile phones next. Maybe they can call you for help.

... they are calling the Irish people for help (and protection) ... and we await the answer.

Dr Nathanson, was responsible for 75,000 abortions as director of one of the largest abortion facilities in the world ... so, when he says that aborted children 'scream' and are terrified by what happens them ... I'd be inclined to believe him.

SusieBlue

Can we please stop with the cartoons they are clearly used in a move to be emotionally manipulative and it’s very annoying.

david75

J C wrote: »

... yes they are a little miracle of God's loving creation ... and they do have hearts, brains and minds of their own and they can scream while suspended in fluid ... which is why the scream is silent ... but no less heart-wrenching, because of this.

Have you forgotten that they look like this at 12 weeks???

The above image is courtesy of MedlinePlus, which is a US government online information service produced by the United States National Library of Medicine.

You’re lecturing people from a very very disconnected and distorted reality. And using cartoons and youtube to make the argument. You did all the same hysterical and misleading stuf in the marriage equality campaign I seem to remember.
I wish we had a thousand more like you. It’s you guys and this constant nonsense that will win it for repeal. Shooting your position in the face.

Nobody is falling for it JC.

SusieBlue

david75 wrote: »

You’re lecturing people from a very very disconnected and distorted reality. And using cartoons and youtube to make the argument. You did all the same hysterical and misleading stuf in the marriage equality campaign I seem to remember.
I wish we had a thousand more like you. It’s you guys and this constant nonsense that will win it for repeal. Shooting your position in the face.

Nobody is falling for it JC.

Did JC not post recently enough saying he voted in favour of the marriage referendum?

Bob_Marley

J C wrote: »

Some interesting background to the Silent Scream film.

Firstly, the author of the film was Dr Bernard N. Nathanson, who was a former abortionist who was responsible for the killing of 75,000 unborn children in one of the biggest abortion facilities in the world ... and whose conscience got the better of him ... and he then became one of the leading pro-life advocates in America.

Here is the story of Dr Nathanson ... as recorded in his obituary.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-former-abortionist-top-pro-life-advocate-bernard-nathanson-dies-at

Quote:-
"At one time Nathanson was deeply entrenched in the American pro-abortion movement, having co-founded the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) and overseen 75,000 abortions as director of an abortion clinic.

Nathanson’s high-profile conversion to the pro-life movement was sparked by the advent of the ultrasound machine in the early 1970s. He has related how he was moved to acknowledge the humanity of the unborn child after he watched an unborn baby recoil from a vacuum abortion device before being sucked from its mother’s womb."

Here is his deathbed testament:-

Quote:-
"For more than a decade after he became pro-life, Nathanson described himself as a Jewish atheist,

Well done JC.

What an remarkable and heartfelt confession from one of the top abortionists in the USA, a man who finally had the honesty to admit to what abortion and pro-abortion really is.

"In an interview with the Washington Times in 2009 Nathanson explained: “My switch to pro-life had nothing to do with religion.” Instead he changed his mind purely “based on the scientific evidence ... based on fetoscopies and ultrasound studies.”

"Following his conversion Nathanson exposed the fact that he and NARAL often lied about key facts and figures in the effort to push the legalization and acceptance of abortion, saying that they were “guilty of massive deception.”"

"Nathanson is the author of a number of books, including Aborting America, and his autobiography, The Hand of God.

In the Hand of God he related how he aborted one of his own children; he said: “I am one of those who helped usher in this barbaric age.”

pilly

Oh so now everyone is posting in bold?

J C

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Can we please stop with the cartoons they are clearly used in a move to be emotionally manipulative and it’s very annoying.

They are a factual anotomically correct image ... if you are emotionally triggered ... this is natural, given the obvious humanity of these unborn children.

... and I posted the image in response to David 75s claim that 12 week old unborn children didn't have fully formed hearts, brains and minds.

The image clearly shows that they do have all these faculties.

Bob_Marley

pilly wrote: »

Oh so now everyone is posting in bold?

That's the absolute best you can come up with.

Like to try and hide the fact one the worlds foremost abortionists converted to pro life and spilled the beans wouldn't you.