jmayo wrote: » So the fact that the HSE is a crock of shyte is now down to rural living ??? Ireland has the second highest health funding according to OECD figures, yet the service is often p**s poor. And when was anything in our health service properly planned. For starters you should look at the millions wasted in Dublin where there was a turf war between two major hospitals about which one would get the National Childrens Hospital. It was just moved from one ill equipped site to another under the pretext that there was better public transport and there would be less number of stories. Meanwhile the vast majority of people going to the hospital, with sick children it should be noted, will be traveling by car and that includes people from within Dublin itself. And people around here are basically complaining about culchies trying to secure funding for their patch when the very same thing is done by no doubt people with many letters after their names working in hospitals and universities in the enlightened capital. Our health system is cr** due to vested interests and their representative bodies, be they lowly porters, hospital admin staff, managers or much vaunted consultants not rural living. Our health service is not pi** poor because there are small hospitals of one sort or another in Bantry, Swinford or Buncrana. It is because ever Tom dick and Mary is sent to A&E, there is no proper primary care system, and the decades long mismanagement of the entire system by politicians and administrators.
Shurimgreat wrote: Time either to start on a proper underground or curtail new jobs in the city centre/docklands areas. You can't keep piling workers into the city centre, particularly on the Red Line Luas route. Our national and local politicians have a lot to answer for.
Bray Head wrote: » Memories are short. Between 2008 and 2012 Ireland lost one in six jobs. It is right for policymakers to prioritise jobs. The services will inevitably come next.
blanch152 wrote: The fact that a 40 minute drive to work is seen as an improvement by people is one of the key problems with Ireland. The fossil fuel cost of that drive by a person in a car on their own is just too high. The pattern or rural living in Ireland is simply environmentally unsustainable. We have already built too much one-off housing and the urban taxpayers will be paying fines from 2020 onwards so that rural dwellers can continue their unsustainable lifestyle.
blanch152 wrote: » One of the biggest reasons that the service from the HSE is so poor is because every county and every town and every hamlet wants a full hospital service including 24-hour A&E.
jmayo wrote: » You and others keep on pedaling the same shyte, the same lazy generalisation. In a lot of boards threads there is a requirement to back up your assertions, so please provide us with proof that every county and every town and every hamlet wants a full hospital service including 24-hour A&E. Come on, if it is so common then you should be able to provide proof that say Ballydehob, Ballinrobe, Tullow, Virginia all want their own A&E. So either put up or shut up. Or maybe you and others work in our health service and it is easier to blame people in Roscommon, Cavan or Ennis than the fact there are two many managers, too many people pushing paper to each other, too many overpaid consultants and too many lazy workers seeing out their time in the health service. And not to mention the fact that every few years hundreds of millions are wasted on things like PPARS, the childrens' hospital planning fiasco, etc.
Idbatterim wrote: » rural dwellers blame urban and urban blame rural for all of the issues! honestly, separate the finances and planning between them... Who will they have to blame then?
Luka Lemon Town wrote: » Of couse I won't the same as you don't pay the real cost for any of your services either that's not how things do or should work.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Depopulating the rest of the country and piling more and more people into one or two large urban centres like Dublin is not the solution. The infrastructure resources of Dublin are limited. Its obvious to most people adding more LUAS carriages or extending the LUAS is not the answer. You extend the LUAS, more people go on it, leading to more congestion. Either go underground or put the brakes on further industry and new jobs in Dublin city centre. And to think our politicians were hoping to attract thousands of workers to the Docklands and IFSC as a result of Brexit. Where would they live and how would they commute? Ah sure I guess the politicians don't care as long as they get more tax. The whole thing is beyond a farce.
Impossible. Rural Ireland can't survive without the urban benefits that flood out of the cities to pay and subsidise all their services, so you can knock that one on the head!
jmayo wrote: » Ehh mind telling us who has bemoaned the fact that villages in Mayo have no factories ???
jmayo wrote: » I live in rural area, I have my own septic system and my own well. I do not expect the taxpayer to pay for my water nor my sh**. And the converse of that is I don't see why I should have to pay for the water and shyte of some fookers living in the local town or in Dublin. But I do, just like the people in the local town and in Dublin contribute money that can be used to build a school in the local village and pay for improvements to the local roads. And these would be the same roads that some people from Dublin use to get to their weekends away and some people from urban areas like to prance about on fancy racing bikes often procured through the bike to work scheme. Oh and I do not have fibre broadband nor do I expect to have it as well over 1km to nearest cabinet. I have wireless broadband which all though not the best is ok. I am realistic, I don't expect a footpath or a street light outside, nor a hospital in the local village or town, nor a factory for that matter. I would expect that there is some form of policing presence, especially a mobile one, as the pretext that one can go to an intercom at the once manned local police station to contact an under strength ill equipped station 20 odd miles away is frankly a bad joke.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Still think Dublin can cope with more people?https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/passengers-fume-at-crowded-trams-as-luas-red-line-delayed-this-morning/ar-BBJ1sb9?ocid=spartanntp Time either to start on a proper underground or curtail new jobs in the city centre/docklands areas. You can't keep piling workers into the city centre, particularly on the Red Line Luas route. Our national and local politicians have a lot to answer for.
Luka Lemon Town wrote: » This is total nonsense, nobody is complaining about a 40 min commute. Most people would be very happy to have work within a 40 min drive of their home and this is what people want when they say jobs should be spread more around the country. It does not mean having factories in every small town it just means having jobs spread around so that people can get to the in a reasonable drive from their home and not be forced to move to Dublin or into one of the other cities. Things like improving roads etc are imortatn in this now, for example someone living in County Galway and reasonably close to the new m17 could now look for work in Shannon as well as Galway city as its a comfortabe and trouble free commute. Building the M20 between Limericak and cork is the same it means living anywhere between limeriick and cork (and thats a lot of people) can work in either city as its an easy commute either way. Building outside the cities in properly designed industrial eststes also helps in this as it means you aren't having to contend with city traffic when getting to work.
jobbridge4life wrote: » Dublin can handle more people. It is a relatively small city by international standards. It needs the requisite infrastructure and planning rules to do so, but the idea that Dublin is too big to function is just not true. So the question is not can Dublin have more people, but do we want to ensure we have a functioning city.
Luka Lemon Town wrote: » Building the M20 between Limericak and cork is the same it means living anywhere between limeriick and cork (and thats a lot of people) can work in either city as its an easy commute either way. Building outside the cities in properly designed industrial eststes also helps in this as it means you aren't having to contend with city traffic when getting to work.
John_Rambo wrote: » Impossible. Rural Ireland can't survive without the urban benefits that flood out of the cities to pay and subsidise all their services, so you can knock that one on the head!
markodaly wrote: » So you are more then prepared on top of your build costs for your one off house to pay full whack for an ESB connection (no subsidy) and for fibre Broadband. Do you have an extra €20,000 in your pocket for this?
wakka12 wrote: » Its all relative- theres not really any such thing as 'big' or 'small' its just how the city deals with its size population. Dublin has an overly concentrated and small CBD and its PT is essentially two tram lines which are too long and way over capacity and a congested bus service that has to fight with cars Thats really bad for a city of 1.2 million people imo! Even much larger population than that if you include people commuting from maynooth and naas and places like that daily
Luka Lemon Town wrote: » Urban dwellers can't survive without the food that floods in from rural areas.
jobbridge4life wrote: » Is this really the level of debate? 'We'll starve ye out of it...'? And given that the entire agriculture industry in Ireland subsists on massive welfare payments I'm not sure that is the best road to go down.
Luka Lemon Town wrote: » Massive subsidies because urban dwellers want their cheap food. If you paid the real cost of producing food then subsidies would not be necessary or as necessary. It's the end users of the sold and the supermarkets that are really benefitting from the subsidies.
Luka Lemon Town wrote: » No I said I won't be willing to pay the "real cost" same as you won't pay the real cost for any of your services. Also a a rural esb connection does cost significantly more depending on how much work is involved which usually isn't that much since there is usually a line running close by.
blanch152 wrote: » Agreed, but in that case, what are all the other people doing out there building one-off houses on land that could be used for growing food? Seriously, the problem is that farmers make up only a small proportion of the rural population, which makes your argument worthless.
blanch152 wrote: » Let us just focus on rural broadband then. We should cancel the rural broadband programme and every rural dweller should pay the real cost. Agreed?
markodaly wrote: EU subsides exist because they keep small farms together and make them somewhat profitable. They are also there to stop cheap food being imported from outside the EU so that farmers can actually grow stuff at a profit.
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