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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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Welcome to the Mayo GAA discussion thread - Chapter 3, yer trotting them out quicker than a Mills & Boon Romance !.

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BENDYBINN

irishgeo wrote: »

leave the galway lads to their cockiness , all that got them last year was an embarrassing defeat to roscommon.

It took two goes for mayo to beat them!

seligehgit

STB. wrote: »

I'm not going to hog the Mayo discussion thread talking about Dublin, but to answer your question Pat Gilroy and the management team did a lot of hardwork rebuilding the team after 2009.

In terms of Mayo steping up to the plate I think that similar changes have to be taken at management level if the team are to become a clinical winning machine. That mindset has to start at home. Provincial wins should be a given not an afterthought. Its why I commeted on the initial post about progression. My honest view is that Mayo are stuck in a rut, right now.

Time will tell if we are in a rut but I do have concerns re the mileage on the clock and lack of new blood.Then again I've been saying same for time eternal and the lads keep proving me wrong!:)

Re the lack of provincial titles,I believe we took our eye off the ball in 2016 but last year was different in that we did not want to go through the back door.

May 13th is a huge day for this team as with the super 8s Mayo can't really afford to not progress via the provincial route.

irishgeo

leave the galway lads to their cockiness , all that got them last year was an embarrassing defeat to roscommon.

Diabhal Beag

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

You won your All-Ireland in June last year too remember

We were celebrating that June win while we were celebrating the two Irelands in September and still had time to chuckle at Cillian bottling again

Bunny Colvin

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Galway also won it in 2001 so 17 years which is still a long time but not near as long as mayo's 67 years and counting.

You won your All-Ireland in June last year too remember

JohnBoy26

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

It's been a long, long time since Mayo won the All-Ireland but 20 years in football is a long time too.

Galway also won it in 2001 so 17 years which is still a long time but not near as long as mayo's 67 years and counting.

Bunny Colvin

Green Peter wrote: »

Mayo went farther than Galway in 96 and 97 as well, not 98 though!

It's been a long, long time since Mayo won the All-Ireland but 20 years in football is a long time too.

Green Peter

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

And in actual fact they have made asses of themselves with losses to the likes of Roscommon and Tipp and were too feeble and pathetic to lay a finger on Kerry.

Mayo went farther than Galway in 96 and 97 as well, not 98 though!

[Deleted User]

STB. wrote: »

I'm not going to hog the Mayo discussion thread talking about Dublin, but to answer your question Pat Gilroy and the management team did a lot of hardwork rebuilding the team after 2009.

In terms of Mayo steping up to the plate I think that similar changes have to be taken at management level if the team are to become a clinical winning machine. That mindset has to start at home. Provincial wins should be a given not an afterthought. Its why I commeted on the initial post about progression. My honest view is that Mayo are stuck in a rut, right now.

They may very well be, or even worse from a Mayo fan point of view they may be regressing.

But my original post was about the assertion that Galway have a "psychological hold" over Mayo.

There is zero evidence to suggest they do, because in spite of beating Mayo twice in the last two Championships they have failed to progress further in those years than Mayo.

And in actual fact they have made asses of themselves with losses to the likes of Roscommon and Tipp and were too feeble and pathetic to lay a finger on Kerry.

STB.

Barlett wrote: »

That's true enough but on that basis you would say that Dublin went backwards in 2010 compared to 2009,whereas the opposite was true. I know what you mean but when a team wins lots of provincial titles as this Mayo team have done it doesn't really apply.

I'm not going to hog the Mayo discussion thread talking about Dublin, but to answer your question Pat Gilroy and the management team did a lot of hardwork rebuilding the team after 2009.

In terms of Mayo steping up to the plate I think that similar changes have to be taken at management level if the team are to become a clinical winning machine. That mindset has to start at home. Provincial wins should be a given not an afterthought. Its why I commeted on the initial post about progression. My honest view is that Mayo are stuck in a rut, right now.

Barlett

Galway won the Connaught Championship in 2016.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

DDC1990 wrote: »

Connacht in 2016
Division 2 in 2017

Im pretty sure that is what they are referring to.

Ah, mea culpa, I misread his post. Sorry lads!

Barlett

STB. wrote: »

Yes I was talking about Dublin and the reason I mentioned it was to highlight that I am not here to rub anything in.

Having won the last 7 provincial titles in a row, it would be a very easy thing to say that ah sure its just another Leinster title. I'm supporting the Dubs a long time. I remember the wilderness.

In the 90s not alone could Dublin not get themselves to the big stage, but we couldnt get into a Leinster Final (97/98/03/04/10), nevermind win one(96/99/00/01 we lost). Thats 9 years of not getting to a provincial final or losing one! I wont event talk about AI's or "progression"

Barren years. Trust me they all count!

To re-iterate the point medals and trophies count.

That's true enough but on that basis you would say that Dublin went backwards in 2010 compared to 2009,whereas the opposite was true. I know what you mean but when a team wins lots of provincial titles as this Mayo team have done it doesn't really apply.

DDC1990

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

No they haven't.

Connacht in 2016
Division 2 in 2017

Im pretty sure that is what they are referring to.

STB.

Barlett wrote: »

Well I presume STB you're talking about Dublin when you're talking about 1995 - 2011, did they not win something like five Leinster titles in that time? You're saying you've erased that period from your mind, but at the same time saying people remember medals...

Yes I was talking about Dublin and the reason I mentioned it was to highlight that I am not here to rub anything in.

Having won the last 7 provincial titles in a row, it would be a very easy thing to say that ah sure its just another Leinster title. I'm supporting the Dubs a long time. I remember the wilderness.

In the intervening period of 95 and 2011 not alone could Dublin not get themselves to the big stage, but we couldnt get into a Leinster Final (97/98/03/04/10), nevermind win one(96/99/00/01 we lost). Thats 9 years of not getting to a provincial final or winning one! I wont event talk about AI's or "progression".

Barren years. Trust me they all count!

To re-iterate the point medals and trophies count. Its whats in the history books!

Barlett

Well I presume STB you're talking about Dublin when you're talking about 1995 - 2011, did they not win something like five Leinster titles in that time? You're saying you've erased that period from your mind, but at the same time saying people remember medals...

Martina1991

STB. wrote:

Galway have at the very least won a provincial championship in the past 2 years.

STB. wrote:

Medals and trophies count. Nobody remembers also rans.

And Mayo have won 5 connacht titles in the last 7 years.

You're just picking info to suit your view. Yesterday's game tells us very little for what'll happen in May.

7 of the team that started the all Ireland aren't even back yet.

STB.

Barlett wrote: »

In fairness STB, you've just proven in your last sentence that Provincial titles mean feck all to certain teams and supporters

What do you mean ?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'm not like a person here who thinks that losing multiple All Ireland finals is better than winning one but I certainly think that getting to multiple finals is a better outcome than winning a provincial and then making a fool of oneself againt Tipp on the national stage.

Tod Galway have winning medals to show for it. What have Mayo got to show for all this perceived progression. Nothing.

Its a flawed mindset.

[Deleted User]

Green Peter wrote: »

0 + 0 = 0

Great post

Barlett

STB. wrote: »

Tod. If you dont mind me saying thats very glass half full mindset.

Galway have at the very least won a provincial championship in the past 2 years.

Medals and trophies count. Nobody remembers also rans.

I certainly have long since forgotten what happened between 1995 and 2011......it was a matter of having to!

In fairness STB, you've just proven in your last sentence that Provincial titles mean feck all to certain teams and supporters

[Deleted User]

STB. wrote: »

Tod. If you dont mind me saying thats very glass half full mindset.

Galway have at the very least won a provincial championship in the past 2 years.

Medals and trophies count. Nobody remembers also rans.

I certainly have long since forgotten what happened between 1995 and 2011......it was a matter of having to!

Do you seriously think that Galway would prefer to beat Mayo and once again s**t the bed in CP against the likes of Tipp than lose to Mayo and subsequently make it to back to back AI finals ?

I'm not like a person here who thinks that losing multiple All Ireland finals is better than winning one but I certainly think that getting to multiple finals is a better outcome than winning a provincial and then making a fool of oneself againt Tipp on the national stage.

Green Peter

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

Is that not further progress than Galway ?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

Is that not a better outcome than Galway achieved ?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

And each year they beat the teams that ended Galway's season.

0 + 0 = 0

SeanJ09

Really looking forward to the meeting in championship between these 2 teams. I'd almost go as far to suggest that its the only tie worth looking forward too in the Provincial championship- given the new format of the super 8 and the difficult repercussions to the loser and the renewed rivalry between the two since Galway have decided not to roll over and have their bellies tickled anymore. These guys just don't like each other.

STB.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

And each year they beat the teams that ended Galway's season.

Is that not a better outcome than Galway achieved ?

Is that not further progress than Galway ?

Tod. If you dont mind me saying thats very glass half full mindset.

Galway have at the very least won a provincial championship in the past 2 years.

Medals and trophies count. Nobody remembers also rans.

I certainly have long since forgotten what happened between 1995 and 2011......it was a matter of having to!

[Deleted User]

STB. wrote: »

It all depends on what your definition of progression means. If it means no winning medals whatsoever then many wouldnt consider that progression.

The cold hard facts of it are that Mayo have not been in a provincial final in the past 2 years and have found themselves having to go through several qualifiers to get to an AI final.

Just an observation.

And each year they beat the teams that ended Galway's season.

Is that not a better outcome than Galway achieved ?

Is that not further progress than Galway ?

STB.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Mayo have not beaten Galway in three attempts, league and Championship.

Yet it's Mayo who have ended up progressing further when it counts.

I'll reserve judgement on who has the pyscological advantage until much later in the year.

It all depends on what your definition of progression means. If it means no winning medals whatsoever then many wouldnt consider that progression.

The cold hard facts of it are that Mayo have not been in a provincial final in the past 2 years and have found themselves having to go through several qualifiers to get to an AI final.

Just an observation. No malice intended as Carney might say.:)

charlie14

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Its smaller -145m x 90m. Croke Park is 165m x 98m

Maximum length of a GAA pitch is 145 meters. Minimum 130 meters.
Maximum width of a GAA pitch is 90 meters. Minimum 80 meters.

As Salthill is also used as a hurling venue, I doubt it is much shorter than Croke Park at 145 meters.

PCeeeee

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Its smaller -145m x 90m. Croke Park is 165m x 98m

It may well be but according to the rule book max pitch size is 145 x 90. So both the same

Audioslaven

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

However, I do think it should be somewhat worrying from a Mayo viewpoint that they seem to have no young players emerging from this year's league. Maybe Eoin O'Donoghue? But will he get a championship place if Harrison / Higgins are fit? Conor Loftus was very poor yesterday and its the likes of him that you want to see step up in the league this year.

It is an issue he is not trying more new guys but we are clearly at a good step below Galway fitness wise. I though Loftus made alot of runs but it was so tight in the full forward line that when he got the ball two Galway guys were around him and robbed the ball off him. He is a bit light as well.

This two weeks off might do them a world of good fitness wise and the pitches might dry up a bit. When you are off the pace, the heavy pitch is like a double whammy as it just feels like you can't get going.

TCDStudent1

Barlett wrote: »

Our league results after 4 games (just to give a proper gauge) read from 2011 as follows
2011 1W 1D 2L
2012 2W 2L
2013 1W 3L
2014 2W 2L
2015 3W 1L
2016 1W 3L
2017 2W 2L

Best to wait till the end of the season before assessing 'where Mayo are at'

Yeah, exactly. The league results should not matter too much for Mayo. I think you should have enough to beat both Tyrone & Kildare anyway. However, I do think it should be somewhat worrying from a Mayo viewpoint that they seem to have no young players emerging from this year's league. Maybe Eoin O'Donoghue? But will he get a championship place if Harrison / Higgins are fit? Conor Loftus was very poor yesterday and its the likes of him that you want to see step up in the league this year.

Contrast that to Galway who have young players really properly staking a claim for a championship place. Players like Sean Andy O'Kelly, Peter Cooke & Sean Kelly have done well in the league so far. And this is before the Corofin lads return. While I think Galway's starting 15 wont be much different from what we saw yesterday, there seems to be much more competition for places in the Galway panel. Our experienced players will be struggling to get into the team - lads like Gary O'Donnell & Sean Armstrong look destined for the bench this year.

2 years ago, you could argue that Galway caught Mayo unaware. Nobody expected the Galway win that day. I did not know one person in Galway who expected us to win.
Last year, you could argue that Mayo were thinking they could still beat Galway at half tilt and were aiming to peak later in the summer.
This year, Mayo have to take the Galway threat seriously. They have to treat that Galway match like they would treat a Dublin match. If Mayo beat Galway, they will probably have a nice route to the super 8's. And the super 8's could very well suit Mayo. If they lose to Galway again, then I am not sure how much some of those lads would like going to the likes of Clare, Fermanagh, Cavan etc for a qualifying match any more.

In any case, I cannot wait for May 13th - it should be a real proper championship match. There will be some belts that day!