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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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Jordan 199

PopePalpatine wrote: »

20 years ago you had Eddie Irvine and Eddie Jordan towards the sharp end of the grid. 5 years later one had left for the greener pastures of property development, and the other had his coffers depleted by costly legal battles against Vodafone and Heinz-Harald Frentzen and was left fighting to stay ahead of Minardi.

Looking back at Jordan in '97, I think if Hill drove for them that year, they would have won a race. The Jordan 197 was a very good car.

boardsuser1

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Yeah maybe the Irish connection drummed up the interest here at the time.

There was controversy involving those 2 previously on the podium.

Irvine in Australia 1996 I think and Argentina 1997 with the Irish flag being flown instead of the Union Jack despite him identifying as Irish.

Jordan in Belgium 1998 when the Irish National anthem wasn’t played.

Ajsoprano

PopePalpatine wrote: »

20 years ago you had Eddie Irvine and Eddie Jordan towards the sharp end of the grid. 5 years later one had left for the greener pastures of property development, and the other had his coffers depleted by costly legal battles against Vodafone and Heinz-Harald Frentzen and was left fighting to stay ahead of Minardi.

Yeah maybe the Irish connection drummed up the interest here at the time.

PopePalpatine

20 years ago you had Eddie Irvine and Eddie Jordan towards the sharp end of the grid. 5 years later one had left for the greener pastures of property development, and the other had his coffers depleted by costly legal battles against Vodafone and Heinz-Harald Frentzen and was left fighting to stay ahead of Minardi.

Ajsoprano

Frankie Lee wrote: »

For me him and Hulkenberg are up there with Ricciardo and Verstappen as the strongest pairing in F1 at the moment. He was disappointing at McLaren with the amount of mistakes he made but he was faster than Button and has matured a lot since.

Frankie lee? Are you that fella that lent Judas Priest money? (Song reference if you have no idea what I’m talking about).
It’s great this forum in real life I met one person who actually watched f1 and he believed Alonso was past it and that’s why maclaren Honda were struggling. I just nodded and said , do ye reckon?
It seems to me it’s becoming a bit of a niche sport in Ireland. Am Ijust imagining things or did it get a lot more coverage on news and tv 20 years ago?

Frankie Lee

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Lads I’m new here and seen this forum. I like a bit of f1. I always wondered why Perez gets such bad treatment from the commentators on the English channels. Is it because he was a bit wild in his youth. Even now ocon is a bit wild and they don’t seem to mind that. I’ve been rooting for Perez to get a top drive since he was a young rookie but am starting to fear that he will retire never getting a car that can compete for a championship. He deserves it he’s put the years in and been usually better than teammates. Hulkenberg was getting hailed as the next Jesus at one stage until he shared a team with Checo and got shown up. Is there anyone with any background on this I just watch the qualifying and racing and don’t bother with the Twitter and magazines and stuff.

For me him and Hulkenberg are up there with Ricciardo and Verstappen as the strongest pairing in F1 at the moment. He was disappointing at McLaren with the amount of mistakes he made but he was faster than Button and has matured a lot since.

carloscorreia

Alonso will do a full WEC season

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/43009816

Frank Bullitt

recyclebin wrote: »

https://youtu.be/VzprpRG2gvs

Video of the nascar screen. Looks very good to me. If it stays clean and works in the wet then its a no brainer. The halo will be binned just like the flip flops that gave the desingers the inspiration for that kind of design in the first place.

Thats actually rather impressive.

F1...are you watching?

Its mad that they did RnD on the Halo for 3 years, seems like they wanted that route regardless.

Ajsoprano

You say that but lance stroll gets spoken of in a good light by the commentators and if ever there was a pay driver.
He got dropped from maclaren because they Kevin bleeping magnussen was good in the simulator and they reckoned that means he will take seconds off Perez time. He was better than button at the time.
I also feel him and ocon were 50/50 to blame each week but the commentators blamed Perez everytime. It made for great excitement in what was a pretty dull few years.
I think it’s one of the weird questions I’ll always wonder. How good could the little pudgey Mexican have been if he was given the chance. I’d love him to even get kimis Ferrari seat even though he’d be vettels rear gunner when kimi retires of course.

[Deleted User]

Gintonious wrote: »

Just finished watching the new McLaren doc on Amazon.

Highly recommend.

You get a great insight into how things just went tits up with Honda, well worth a watch.

Would you be a McLaren fan? :pac:
Just got the idea early on that the show might be a bit too fawning for my liking, would be nice to check out if not.

skipper_G

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Lads I’m new here and seen this forum. I like a bit of f1. I always wondered why Perez gets such bad treatment from the commentators on the English channels. Is it because he was a bit wild in his youth. Even now ocon is a bit wild and they don’t seem to mind that. I’ve been rooting for Perez to get a top drive since he was a young rookie but am starting to fear that he will retire never getting a car that can compete for a championship. He deserves it he’s put the years in and been usually better than teammates. Hulkenberg was getting hailed as the next Jesus at one stage until he shared a team with Checo and got shown up. Is there anyone with any background on this I just watch the qualifying and racing and don’t bother with the Twitter and magazines and stuff.

I'd say a lot of it is down to the financial backing he has, some people automatically assume that having sponsorship behind you makes you just a pay driver. His results prove that he's in F1 on merit, but that won't be enough for some sections of media and fans. Also doesn't help that he was dropped by McLaren after a year, like that means he's not good enough or something. I disagree of course, think he's talented but he will never be looked on kindly by the majority after the shenanigans with Ocon last year. Ocon while also talented is the right kind of talented, as in he has no commercial money behind him (just a major manufacturer)

Ajsoprano

Lads I’m new here and seen this forum. I like a bit of f1. I always wondered why Perez gets such bad treatment from the commentators on the English channels. Is it because he was a bit wild in his youth. Even now ocon is a bit wild and they don’t seem to mind that. I’ve been rooting for Perez to get a top drive since he was a young rookie but am starting to fear that he will retire never getting a car that can compete for a championship. He deserves it he’s put the years in and been usually better than teammates. Hulkenberg was getting hailed as the next Jesus at one stage until he shared a team with Checo and got shown up. Is there anyone with any background on this I just watch the qualifying and racing and don’t bother with the Twitter and magazines and stuff.

recyclebin

https://youtu.be/VzprpRG2gvs

Video of the nascar screen. Looks very good to me. If it stays clean and works in the wet then its a no brainer. The halo will be binned just like the flip flops that gave the desingers the inspiration for that kind of design in the first place.

recyclebin

boardsuser1

Gintonious wrote: »

In other F1 related news, the WEC have moved the Fuji race date, so it won't clash with F1, Alonso can race there also.

Hardly surprising the caved on this, the PR of Alonso alone will attract a fortune to the series.

Frank Bullitt

In other F1 related news, the WEC have moved the Fuji race date, so it won't clash with F1, Alonso can race there also.

Frank Bullitt

Just finished watching the new McLaren doc on Amazon.

Highly recommend.

You get a great insight into how things just went tits up with Honda, well worth a watch.

H3llR4iser

Actually, the whole car looks class - a gigantic step forward from the tubby, horrible things Indycar used until last year. Bit of a late 1980s look to it as well.

As for the screen, that looks like something properly made to aerospace standards - way thicker, clearer and more refined than the little "transparent plastic cutout by a child in a creche" horror F1 tested (my two cents - it was an half assed effort as they knew the "halo" deal was basically sealed).

I'd be very surprised if the "Halo" makes it past 2018 in its current form - hopefully not due to some other "freak accident" happening because of a carbon fiber blade placed a few cm from the driver's heads.

Frank Bullitt

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That thing is definitely the way forward, the halo is a load of sh1te!

What forces can that screen withstand?

The FIA need to work with Vettel and the rest to sort the issue of a screen, the halo is going to cause problems if a car ends up being upside down.

Can it be removed for driver extractions in the event they are unconscious?

From what I have heard, this is aero grade material, so its used on jets and commercial airlines. They test them pretty heavily.

I'm still doing a bit of reading on it, from what I gather though its the curvature that can cause issues towards the bottom of the screen, but Dixon reported that the biggest issue was cooling! He also noted that it was extremely quiet with no buffeting and that that had an impact on how he felt the car handle.

I do agree that this is absolutely the way to go, you can still see the drivers and aesthetically, it looks great.

Feedback from other drivers on twitter says the same, Halo looks so silly compared to this.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

The screen doesn't seem to cover as much of the top end as the Halo does and is less bulky, therefore making an extraction easier.

Deleted User wrote:

Did you see the images of the IndyCar screens above?

They both come to the same height in the front just above the drivers helmet. The screen is slightly lower at the sides than the halo but the halo is wider.

The same problems still apply to both. It's 6 and 3+3.

Adamocovic

From what I've read getting in and out of the car was difficult with the prototype as it could not support the weight of the driver but now the drivers can use the halo to remove themselves from the car, as they can pull themselves up with it.

One driver said it takes some getting used to however, and that the most difficult part is getting the legs into the car as it's quite high up in comparison.

El_Duderino 09

Adamocovic wrote:

Actually forgot how bulky the halo is. Wonder will there be much variation when the final car designs are released.

I imagine they'll be blended into the design. The struts in the sidepods in that picture must be aerodynamic obstacles so I'd say that area will be designed to minimise airflow disruption. And they'll be free to pick the colour. So they'll blend in much better than that picture.

[Deleted User]

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Would the screen be any different in that regard? Wouldn't the screen pose the same problems?

Did you see the images of the IndyCar screens above?

boardsuser1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Would the screen be any different in that regard? Wouldn't the screen pose the same problems?

The screen doesn't seem to cover as much of the top end as the Halo does and is less bulky, therefore making an extraction easier.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

the halo is going to cause problems if a car ends up being upside down.

Can it be removed for driver extractions in the event they are unconscious?

Would the screen be any different in that regard? Wouldn't the screen pose the same problems?

Adamocovic

Actually forgot how bulky the halo is. Wonder will there be much variation when the final car designs are released.

boardsuser1

Gintonious wrote: »

So F1 is getting the Halo.

Across the water, Indy Car seem to be getting this, which looks fantastic compared to the Halo.

I know F1 tested the screen, and Vettel said it was not working and hurt his eyes. Seems like this version is doing well.

That thing is definitely the way forward, the halo is a load of sh1te!

What forces can that screen withstand?

The FIA need to work with Vettel and the rest to sort the issue of a screen, the halo is going to cause problems if a car ends up being upside down.

Can it be removed for driver extractions in the event they are unconscious?

Frank Bullitt

So F1 is getting the Halo.

Across the water, Indy Car seem to be getting this, which looks fantastic compared to the Halo.

I know F1 tested the screen, and Vettel said it was not working and hurt his eyes. Seems like this version is doing well.

El_Duderino 09

Adamocovic wrote:

The ones who seem the biggest advocates for it, also coincidentally seem to be involved in the teams that are key to developing it. I remember Lewis was firmly against it, but then his team came out praising it and funding it and he changed his opinion. I know people can change their mind, and nothing against that, but just makes me wonder have the teams who are board convinced or told their drivers to say so too.

That's an interesting perspective. I hadn't thought of it in terms of team Interests. I remember max verstappen talking about Lewis changing his mind. He said Lewis was all in favour of safety in drivers meeting about the halo. Then in public he would give it the big'un about how he didn't care about safety and didn't want the halo which was supported by pussies.*

*Paraphrasing

meeeeh

Harika wrote: »

All calm down, the Grid Girls won't be fired, but get a different task instead of the 30 minute grid procedure of the weekend. At least at the RedBull ring.
https://www.meinbezirk.at/murtal/sport/die-formula-unas-bleiben-am-ring-d2401276.html German only

In fairness to Austrains they really work hard at making good looking women as unattractive as possible. Dirndls are devils creation.