billyhead wrote: » A bit off topic but Ciaran Whelan is a very good pundit in the football and likewise Fast Eddie Brennan in the hurling. I also think Michael Duignan and Bernard Flynn are brilliant on the radio. They tell it as it is and know their stuff.
washman3 wrote: » Looking at what was available I don't see any great problem with Cantwell TBH. He loves her sport, has been around for some time and is not a bluffer. Bad enough having to listen to Des Cahill on morning radio. Glad too that Lyster is finally packing it in. For all the years he spent in the job his knowledge remained limited. Always went with the flow and seldom gave the 'weaker' counties the credit they deserved. But as another poster pointed out, its the games that matter, not some ego driven programme after the 9.30 news.
Mr321 wrote: » Dessie Dolan be a good host
grbear wrote: » RTEs desire for a "Dunphy" is a problem when it gets in the way of decent analysis and unfortunately Brollys desire to be a talking point is taking away from analysis of the football. He is plainly an intelligent person and can make decent points but Dunphyism is something RTE need to get rid of.
Mr321 wrote: Dessie Dolan be a good host
Powerhouse wrote: » I think Brolly threatens a lot of people because he is conspicuously intellectual. Many people would be more comfortable with Tomás Ó Sé saying "'tis scary" (Brian Fenton's potential as recent example) than, say, a Brolly who might have more to say about his specific role and how the team sets up. I don't believe for a second that Brolly deliberately tried to stake controversy. I think he is just a very bright and well-read person who brings that intellectual rigour to bear in his analysis of football.
Powerhouse wrote: » But surely Lyster's job was to chair the discussion not to ram his own opinion down people's throats?
Tell me how wrote: » Seriously? You are joking aren't you? He's no where near fluid enough to be a host.
ProudDUB wrote: » JC already hosts Saturday Sport on the radio, Against The Head rugby coverage & regularly hosts other GAA and sports programs, such as The All Star Awards. She does a decent job on all of them imo. She is certainly no worse than the likes of Marty Morrissey, or that block of wood called Peter Collins. Given that, I think it's a bit daft to say she only got the job because she is a woman. If she was someone with zero background in sports broadcasting, or the GAA, a case could made for saying she was only given the gig to keep the PC brigade happy. But she has cut her teeth on many a game, give her a chance to see how she will do. For all the giving out that we do here about TSG, here is a certain sadness at comfort factor of the Lyster/Brolly/Spillane/O'Rourke quartet being broken up. But that being said, I for one will welcome someone who can shake things up a bit & improve the staleness of the current tired presentation. I'm tired of Pat Spillane rabbiting on about Kerry & no one trying to stop him. I'm tired of Joe Brolly's constant rudeness & no attempts made to stop him, by a host who should be trying harder to enforce basic good manners on set. Lyster is too weak to do that imo, as he wants to be 'one of the lads' too much. Or maybe it's just not in his personality. Whatever the reason, I don't really care, but the show suffers as a result imo. I'm tired of Lyster turning to Pat Spillane after every game and asking "Well Colm/Pat, did you enjoy that?" Who gives a crap whether Pat enjoyed the game? I want proper questions asked & decent analysis given....not vague waffle about whether someone "enjoyed" a game or not. It is a sporting event, not an episode of Fair City. If Joanne Cantell can improve things on any of those fronts, than more power to her.
Mr321 wrote: » I agree with the majority of what you said there, I'll give Brolly credit though as he's not afraid to make his opinions be known where as O Rourke and Spillane usually shy around it and talk in circles.
ligerdub wrote: » This was the most predictable appointment you'll see pretty much anywhere this year. I won't even argue the point of her genuinely being the best candidate for the job. These days though if you're at least in the discussion of genuine candidates for a job, if you're the only woman in the mix among a group of chaps then it's time for the guys to continue their job search. She was absolutely always getting this, and they'll (RTE) pat themselves on the back much like the multiday festival they had when they gave two women the main news gig. Diversity stats and HR analytics are all the rage these days. Outside of dangerous jobs, or undesirable work generally dominated in numbers by men, and desirable jobs or otherwise good careers dominated by women, the race to gender quotas has well and truly begun. It's a shame for Cantwell that she got the job in this environment, it somewhat sullies it for her, part of the reason why diversity quotas are a terrible idea. Cantwell clearly loves her sport, she's in the right place broadly speaking. I don't think this particular style suits her, there is a difference in being a host and being a quasi-mediator. She's enthusiastic and that, but i just find her approach to be quite dull and I'd be inclined not to watch it. To be honest i didn't think there were any great candidates on the shortlist. The big message here is that the decline in standard was always going to happen after Lyster left. I don't think he was all that keen on leaving. He was an employee so he had to leave at 65, but he could have come back as a contractor, and given how he was generally quite popular (my opinion) and that he was keen to stay on I figure that the smart decision would have been to keep him on board. The fact that RTE decided against that, and were quite keen to get Joanne on there, that to me is the signal as to why she, specifically, was hired.
Tombo2001 wrote: » For the first time ever, a woman gets a lead position in a banner sports program (of which there are four, live international soccer, the sunday game and live sunday gaa, and live international rugby); and you think....oh the men aren't being a fair crack of the whip.....and that deserves a great round of thanks apparently. Let me get the violin out.....for poor old Michael Lyster who has only had a 30 year run at the job, and for all those highly talented men who have been over looked. To refer to your point above..... dangerous and undesirable jobs like banking, stockbroking, software developers, government ministers....... highly paid professions that are completely male dominated. And desirable jobs or otherwise good careers dominated by women.....the likes of receptionist, contract cleaners, child minders ....lowest paid roles all dominated by women. Really.....thats a bit much. The job is up for grabs. Joanne Cantwell is the best person for the job. Get over it. And part of the reason she is the best person is because the biggest growth in audience for the Sunday Game is the female demographic. In case you didnt notice, attendance at the LGFA final has grown by 70% in the last three years.
sightband wrote: » the first half of your post is just a very generalised and irrelevant rant to the discussion at hand. you finish by saying that part of the reason she is the best person for the job is because of a growth in female interest in the sport and well joanne cantwell is a female and therefore suited...think about that for a second, that’s pretty much justifying everything the poster you quoted and were opposing.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Wrong and wrong. The second part..... The poster was not saying she is female and she is suited (ie bring in a wider audience). He was saying she is female, and positive discrimination and gender quotas is the way it is going in life. Two entirely different things. But feel free to pretend its the same thing and use it as a stick. He has the audacity to say its a 'shame' that this 'sullies' her appointment while at the same time himself sullying her appointment. As for it being a rant.......tends to be the case that when people agree with something its a well thought out argument, when they disagree with something then its a rant......as is the case here.
Tombo2001 wrote: » To refer to your point above..... dangerous and undesirable jobs like banking, stockbroking, software developers, government ministers....... highly paid professions that are completely male dominated. And desirable jobs or otherwise good careers dominated by women.....the likes of receptionist, contract cleaners, child minders ....lowest paid roles all dominated by women. Really.....thats a bit much.
Bambi wrote: » You left out well paying industries like publishing, medicine and teaching which are dominated by women. The myth that gender and pay difference in an industry is the result of discrimination is a load of horse sh**. And, as per the BBC, it's obvious that female presenters are using that myth as leverage to further their own careers. The funny thing is that it will have a negative effect on competent female candidates in public positions like the sunday game, people assume its a PR decision rather than merit based.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Interesting that you pick medicine. A highly paid profession that requires the very highest of qualifications. Unlike other highly paid professions, say software development or stockbroking or property development for example. A profession that requires you getting the very highest level in the leaving cert, to get into medicine at University. The reason more young doctors are women is because more medicine students are women. This is absolutely nothing to do with positive discrimination or favouritism towards women; and only to do with the completely level playing field that is the Leaving Cert points system. So women are more attracted than men to the one high paid job where there is a completely level playing field as to who gets the job. Hmmm..... I wonder why. The others - publishing and teaching - are not high paid professions.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Interesting that you pick medicine. A highly paid profession that requires the very highest of qualifications. Unlike other highly paid professions, say software development or stockbroking or property development for example. A profession that requires you getting the very highest level in the leaving cert, to get into medicine at University. The reason more young doctors are women is because more medicine students are women. This is absolutely nothing to do with positive discrimination or favouritism towards women; and only to do with the completely level playing field that is the Leaving Cert points system.
