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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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Cool_CM

According to the FIA release, they will be kids who are already involved in motorsport/karting and their direct family members will have access to the paddock on raceday:

https://www.fia.com/news/fia-and-formula-1r-are-pleased-announce-new-partnership-called-grid-kids

Time to start thinking about having kids and forcing them into motorsport! :pac:

flazio

In my opinion it's no different to soccer players holding hands with child mascots as they walk out on the pitch.

meeeeh

Mr.H wrote: »

Whats next, ban modeling altogether? Surely that is taking advantage of young women and discarding them when they dry out?

So yes this is another nail in the coffin for a society of people that think for themselves. Instead we appease the mindless masses who want to be offended by a girl in a pretty dress.

Talk about hysterical overreaction. Clothes modeling is not tacky, grid girls were.

Btw I find offensive to good taste that anyone would think skimpy, cheap looking lycra outfits are adding class to anything (in comparison some fashion is almost art). Also I doubt pictures with the car would be useful for portfolio except if they were going for topless calendars. I accept some are not happy with the decision but let's not bring class into it.

Anyway involvement of kids is good idea imo.

AMKC

Cool_CM wrote: »

According to the FIA release, they will be kids who are already involved in motorsport/karting and their direct family members will have access to the paddock on raceday:

https://www.fia.com/news/fia-and-formula-1r-are-pleased-announce-new-partnership-called-grid-kids

Time to start thinking about having kids and forcing them into motorsport! :pac:

I do not think they are forcing them into motorsport. I think it is a good idea sure it will not be as glamorous as all the perfectly made up beautiful women that were on the grid before but it might get some of these kids interested in motorsport and even give some on opportunity to get into it. Face it if Formula 1 is to survive then the young generations need to be interested in it too.

Cookie_Monster

so ladies being paid to look pretty and do a job, bad. Unpaid* child labour, good.

I can't see it as anything other than a backwards step by mgt, sure they save themselves a few quid in expenses but taking advantage of kids and trying to dress it up as a positive is pretty low, even for F1

* granted an assumption, but the press release makes no mention of it and reads like they won't be paid, just thrown some paddock passes

Harika

Grid girls made no headline whatsover in the last decades, except in the yellow press with some drivers. I am looking at you Ralph!
On the other hand you have last years boy DVVQ875WsAAHXNB.jpg:small

who was all over the news.
And for the unpaid part, as kid standing on the grid and spending the day with my family in paddock, I am totally fine with that. I might not even need sweets to be talked into that. I guess I will be catered too.
As parent, going to a race for free! is totally fine with me. Maybe even a free Tshirt!

El_Duderino 09

skipper_G wrote:

In theory it's a great idea, in practice it may yet end up a case of who you know that can arrange for little jimmy to be "selected at random". Nevertheless the viewer isn't going to know (or care) if it's some rich kid or not. It has no impact on the racing at all, positive for PR so a sensible choice.

I never saw this level of scrutiny of how grid girls were selected.

Money talks in all walks of life. Next thing the same principle will apply to an important role like drivers. Little Lance's daddy will pay a team to give his son a drive instead of a faster driver with less money. Oh wait...

Seriously guys. The hysteria over grid girls and the sudden interest in how their successors will be selected is beginning to look like a parody of itself.

The sooner the season starts and there's some real news to talk about, the better. I'm actually looking forward to the first pre season test where Sauber does a few fast laps and people start speculating about them competing for the title.

skipper_G

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I never saw this level of scrutiny of how grid girls were selected.

Money talks in all walks of life. Next thing the same principle will apply to an important role like drivers. Little Lance's daddy will pay a team to give his son a drive instead of a faster driver with less money. Oh wait...

Seriously guys. The hysteria over grid girls and the sudden interest in how their successors will be selected is beginning to look like a parody of itself.

The sooner the season starts and there's some real news to talk about, the better. I'm actually looking forward to the first pre season test where Sauber does a few fast laps and people start speculating about them competing for the title.

Who's hysterical? Certainly not me :rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09

Pages and pages in lots of threads about grid girls. The idea of suddenly beginning to examine the mechanism by which grid children will be chosen, while never bothered to question how grid girls were chosen, is interesting.

Taking a sudden interest in grid girls income while never bothering to worry about any other entertainers or PR personnel’s incomes. Protestations that choosing not to hire grid girls is the “last nail in the coffin of a free thinking society”.

The first 2 examples are interesting and suggest that this issue has stirred up emotions that aren’t being expressed because the arguments are wafer thin. The third example ( the end of free thinking society )is hysterical though.

The whole thing seems to have

HighLine

Personally I think the banning of grid girls is more PC bullsh*t but I also think that no one will care or talk about it after a race or 2.

What is more important to me are the hideous halos. This most certainly will continued to be discussed after Melbourne. Can't wait to see the variations of "aerodynamic fairings" as James Allison talks about below.

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/961300050033995776

Cookie_Monster

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Pages and pages in lots of threads about grid girls.

Maybe thats because F1 has become so dull and this is something actually interesting?
Or maybe it's simply you and your usual problem with this debate in any form.:rolleyes:

Jordan 199

Just one week to go to the first launch of the season.

Cookie_Monster

Hopefully they do it in a classy way :pac:
sauber-launch_3413333.jpg?20160209165817

El_Duderino 09

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Maybe thats because F1 has become so dull and this is something actually interesting?
Or maybe it's simply you and your usual problem with this debate in any form.:rolleyes:

Maybe some people will be outraged about almost anything- even f1 deciding not to hire grid girls.

Grid girls are of the past and now they’re in the past. It’s just normal change as part of trying to grow the fan base.

robyntmorton

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Just one week to go to the first launch of the season.

And then we can get back to talking about the important stuff like “what the f!ck were they thinking with that wing/halo/paint job”

El_Duderino 09

I'm actually looking forward to the annual 'the cars all look awful this year. Pity they don't look like xxxx year cars' completely forgetting that that's what people say every year. Even the classics were new once.

What's happening with the stark fin this year, is it in or out? Last I heard it was out so I'm waiting for the 'wheres the shark fin? Cars look stupid without it'. Following from last year's 'shark fin is ridiculous, cars look stupid with it'.

Adamocovic

I don't really care too much regarding what the Halo looks like but the fact that the drivers are split in their opinions of it makes me wonder.

The ones who seem the biggest advocates for it, also coincidentally seem to be involved in the teams that are key to developing it. I remember Lewis was firmly against it, but then his team came out praising it and funding it and he changed his opinion. I know people can change their mind, and nothing against that, but just makes me wonder have the teams who are board convinced or told their drivers to say so too.

No doubt during the year there will be many drivers using the Halo obstructing their vision as an excuse or complaint during races. So we will have to get used to that!

Harika

All calm down, the Grid Girls won't be fired, but get a different task instead of the 30 minute grid procedure of the weekend. At least at the RedBull ring.
https://www.meinbezirk.at/murtal/sport/die-formula-unas-bleiben-am-ring-d2401276.html German only

meeeeh

Harika wrote: »

All calm down, the Grid Girls won't be fired, but get a different task instead of the 30 minute grid procedure of the weekend. At least at the RedBull ring.
https://www.meinbezirk.at/murtal/sport/die-formula-unas-bleiben-am-ring-d2401276.html German only

In fairness to Austrains they really work hard at making good looking women as unattractive as possible. Dirndls are devils creation.

El_Duderino 09

Adamocovic wrote:

The ones who seem the biggest advocates for it, also coincidentally seem to be involved in the teams that are key to developing it. I remember Lewis was firmly against it, but then his team came out praising it and funding it and he changed his opinion. I know people can change their mind, and nothing against that, but just makes me wonder have the teams who are board convinced or told their drivers to say so too.

That's an interesting perspective. I hadn't thought of it in terms of team Interests. I remember max verstappen talking about Lewis changing his mind. He said Lewis was all in favour of safety in drivers meeting about the halo. Then in public he would give it the big'un about how he didn't care about safety and didn't want the halo which was supported by pussies.*

*Paraphrasing

Frank Bullitt

So F1 is getting the Halo.

Across the water, Indy Car seem to be getting this, which looks fantastic compared to the Halo.

I know F1 tested the screen, and Vettel said it was not working and hurt his eyes. Seems like this version is doing well.

boardsuser1

Gintonious wrote: »

So F1 is getting the Halo.

Across the water, Indy Car seem to be getting this, which looks fantastic compared to the Halo.

I know F1 tested the screen, and Vettel said it was not working and hurt his eyes. Seems like this version is doing well.

That thing is definitely the way forward, the halo is a load of sh1te!

What forces can that screen withstand?

The FIA need to work with Vettel and the rest to sort the issue of a screen, the halo is going to cause problems if a car ends up being upside down.

Can it be removed for driver extractions in the event they are unconscious?

Adamocovic

Actually forgot how bulky the halo is. Wonder will there be much variation when the final car designs are released.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

the halo is going to cause problems if a car ends up being upside down.

Can it be removed for driver extractions in the event they are unconscious?

Would the screen be any different in that regard? Wouldn't the screen pose the same problems?

boardsuser1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Would the screen be any different in that regard? Wouldn't the screen pose the same problems?

The screen doesn't seem to cover as much of the top end as the Halo does and is less bulky, therefore making an extraction easier.

[Deleted User]

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Would the screen be any different in that regard? Wouldn't the screen pose the same problems?

Did you see the images of the IndyCar screens above?

El_Duderino 09

Adamocovic wrote:

Actually forgot how bulky the halo is. Wonder will there be much variation when the final car designs are released.

I imagine they'll be blended into the design. The struts in the sidepods in that picture must be aerodynamic obstacles so I'd say that area will be designed to minimise airflow disruption. And they'll be free to pick the colour. So they'll blend in much better than that picture.

Adamocovic

From what I've read getting in and out of the car was difficult with the prototype as it could not support the weight of the driver but now the drivers can use the halo to remove themselves from the car, as they can pull themselves up with it.

One driver said it takes some getting used to however, and that the most difficult part is getting the legs into the car as it's quite high up in comparison.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

The screen doesn't seem to cover as much of the top end as the Halo does and is less bulky, therefore making an extraction easier.

Deleted User wrote:

Did you see the images of the IndyCar screens above?

They both come to the same height in the front just above the drivers helmet. The screen is slightly lower at the sides than the halo but the halo is wider.

The same problems still apply to both. It's 6 and 3+3.

Frank Bullitt

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That thing is definitely the way forward, the halo is a load of sh1te!

What forces can that screen withstand?

The FIA need to work with Vettel and the rest to sort the issue of a screen, the halo is going to cause problems if a car ends up being upside down.

Can it be removed for driver extractions in the event they are unconscious?

From what I have heard, this is aero grade material, so its used on jets and commercial airlines. They test them pretty heavily.

I'm still doing a bit of reading on it, from what I gather though its the curvature that can cause issues towards the bottom of the screen, but Dixon reported that the biggest issue was cooling! He also noted that it was extremely quiet with no buffeting and that that had an impact on how he felt the car handle.

I do agree that this is absolutely the way to go, you can still see the drivers and aesthetically, it looks great.

Feedback from other drivers on twitter says the same, Halo looks so silly compared to this.