RustyNut wrote: » If they gave up fit ups it would probably be better all round,but we are talking about an organisation that are institutionally dishonest.
Ralf and Florian wrote: » By that logic they might as well just give up conducting investigations altogether. That rape/murder/robbery will solve itself.
RustyNut wrote: » No its not a given but it most certainly is a possibility. The best predictor of future behavior is … past behavior
Ralf and Florian wrote: » So its a given that they're setting out to fit someone up, is that what you're suggesting?
RustyNut wrote: » So they are going to make the fit up stick this time, is that what you are suggesting?
lalababa wrote: » The Gards have terrorised one family and seem hell bent on doing it to a second , 30+ years on, when the Gards responsible are dead or retired. What is the motive.
Ralf and Florian wrote: » What makes you think they haven't learnt from the mistakes of the original investigation given the huge amount of negative publicity it received?
Ralf and Florian wrote: » You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that they're trying to bring to justice the person or persons who stabbed a five day old baby to death.
RustyNut wrote: » They didnt try to bring the murderer to justice during the original investigation, they attempted to fit up an innocent family, what makes you think they are not doing the same thing again?
lalababa wrote: » Soooo... back to the Kerry baby case, Garda checking Irish criminal dNA data have found nothing and have moved on to NI and UK data. (By the way they are checking for cousins so they can Begin to narrow things down. If they get a hit, they will then have to check cousins in the South kerry area WITH their consent. If they get enough evidence they can I believe force a suspect to provide sample). Spoke person emphasizing NI and that there were movement by certain people from South kerry to NI at that time. Reads like a flusing out 'we are getting close to you' ploy to see if someone panics. The Gards have terrorised one family and seem hell bent on doing it to a second , 30+ years on, when the Gards responsible are dead or retired. What is the motive.
lalababa wrote: » What is the motive.
Billy86 wrote: » It should also be said that something largely lost in the noise of "kids these days" is that teen pregnancies have been falling by a large amount for a long period of time - http://www.thejournal.ie/teenage-pregnancy-ireland-3700903-Dec2017/ And that's despite the population going from 3.9mn (2002 census) to 4.75mn in 2016 - with the economy I'd guess we're probably quite comfortably above 4.8mn by now.
THE NUMBER OF teenage pregnancies has fallen by 64% in 15 years. Earlier this year, figures released by the CSO showed a decrease in the number of teenage births from 3,087 in 2001 to 1,098 in 2016. This equates to a decrease in the teen birth rate from 20 per 1,000 of females aged 15-19 in Ireland in 2001 to 7.8 per 1,000 in 2016.
Calina wrote: » See the highlighted line up there? This tells me you can safely be ignored. Such a total generalisation and misrepresentation of a group of people that you choose to label as other to you means you don't actually think too much about the root causes of the issues that concern you. Some of the heaviest use of porn sites come from states in the US which are particularly repressed or conservative. Don't assume the only the liberals - as you call the - are the only ones using porn. The highest rates of teen pregnancy in the US were typically in those states which tend a) more evangelical b) more GOP and c) least access to abortion and contraception. I'm going to be blunt and suggest that while the UK is not perfect - far from it - the fact remains that it is no skin off your nose if a woman has an abortion, or sex. And the biggest problem in terms of reducing unwanted abortions is that people like you are also massively against sex and relationship education, misrepresent those who want it as desiring wall to wall porn. No one in Ireland calls other people liberals unless they are influenced by the political system in America and there are not so many of them. If you do not want people to have abortions, you need to a) give women plenty of money in recognition of the contribution they make to society by having children - clue - no country really does this, not even the northern Europeans although they are generally the most supporting and b) stop punishing them and shaming the when they have babies out of line with your expectations, ie, when they are single, when they are teenagers, when they are lesbians or trans or bisexual. Your view that you can judge other people for their behaviour and dismiss them as arrogant is tantamount to complaining about the mote in another's eyes when you cannot see the plank in your own. PS: rape within marriage was legal within this country was legal until the 1990s. Women who get raped were historically slutshamed. I may not have a point about consent. I have a point a point consent. Women who weren't asked didn't really get a chance to say no did they, and as recently as within the last 2 years a radio presenter in this country was implying that marriage was a defacto yes to sex at all times.
MrJones1973 wrote: » Perhaps you have some point on consent. But its amazing how convinced liberals are that every thing is fine with wall to wall porn. Kids screwing around with strangers . Various apps. Abortion. Etc naked photos on facebook Their level of arrogance and self assurance about the new orthodoxy is quite similar to that held by conservatives in the 1980s. We will do doubt ape the uk. Wonderful. With its 50 per cent divorce rate. One in five pregnancies aborted. Best of luck with the self assurance
Pawwed Rig wrote: » MrJones1973 wrote: » and women wonder why they are mainly seen as sex objects ? I don't think women actually do outside of media and internet.
MrJones1973 wrote: » and women wonder why they are mainly seen as sex objects ?
MrJones1973 wrote: » Nobody is in favour of teenage pregnancies but that had more to do with lack of condoms than anything else. Of course people always had sex as teenagers but it was less not more in the 1980s. Your personal sex life is your personal sex life. I really dont want to hear about it! 14-16 year olds hooking up looking for porn sex is a recipe for disaster. Then we wonder why we have to teach consent in schools and women wonder why they are mainly seen as sex objects ? Why teenage anxiety is constantly rising? Pedophiles having a great time on various apps I suppose is just collateral damage? You reap what you sow I might be old fashioned but trust me you wont like where this is heading I wont comment further. Ill leave you to mop up the mess
