lalababa wrote: » Soooo... back to the Kerry baby case, Garda checking Irish criminal dNA data have found nothing and have moved on to NI and UK data. (By the way they are checking for cousins so they can Begin to narrow things down. If they get a hit, they will then have to check cousins in the South kerry area WITH their consent. If they get enough evidence they can I believe force a suspect to provide sample). Spoke person emphasizing NI and that there were movement by certain people from South kerry to NI at that time. Reads like a flusing out 'we are getting close to you' ploy to see if someone panics. The Gards have terrorised one family and seem hell bent on doing it to a second , 30+ years on, when the Gards responsible are dead or retired. What is the motive.
Ralf and Florian wrote: » You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that they're trying to bring to justice the person or persons who stabbed a five day old baby to death.
RustyNut wrote: » They didnt try to bring the murderer to justice during the original investigation, they attempted to fit up an innocent family, what makes you think they are not doing the same thing again?
Ralf and Florian wrote: » What makes you think they haven't learnt from the mistakes of the original investigation given the huge amount of negative publicity it received?
lalababa wrote: » The Gards have terrorised one family and seem hell bent on doing it to a second , 30+ years on, when the Gards responsible are dead or retired. What is the motive.
RustyNut wrote: » So they are going to make the fit up stick this time, is that what you are suggesting?
Ralf and Florian wrote: » So its a given that they're setting out to fit someone up, is that what you're suggesting?
RustyNut wrote: » No its not a given but it most certainly is a possibility. The best predictor of future behavior is … past behavior
Ralf and Florian wrote: » By that logic they might as well just give up conducting investigations altogether. That rape/murder/robbery will solve itself.
RustyNut wrote: » If they gave up fit ups it would probably be better all round,but we are talking about an organisation that are institutionally dishonest.
tayto lover wrote: » I had two dealings with them in the last 6/7 months
tayto lover wrote: » I still have great faith in them for one as do most people i'd say. I don't believe they're disfunctional at all. There's more than 10K of them and most do their jobs well from what I see. I had two dealings with them in the last 6/7 months and couldn't fault their work.
RustyNut wrote: » That's great that you had two positive experiences with them, other people will have had a different experience. I don't think that two experiences can be used to extrapolate anything, either all cops are great or anything else. We are talking about an organisation that is not belived by the Central Statistics Office , the Garda Inspectorate didn't find them to be tip top professionals,The Policing Authority don't seem too convinced that the Gardai are a compitent organisation. It would appear that they can't even keep their college tax compliente. Maybe their is a report out their somewhere that says they are a great bunch of open transparent professionals who follow best international practice but all the reports I've read say the exact opposite, the Kerry Babies case being just one example of where the people have been letdown by their police force.
tayto lover wrote: » I don't believe that any of those matters on statistics are compiled by the garda members the public meet from day to day.
Pawwed Rig wrote: » breath test figures That is all
tayto lover wrote: » I thought it was higher up garda who compiled those figures, like superintendants?
Conversation extract contained in report between garda and call taker Call taker: Number of vehicles stopped and controlled? Garda: Is that the number of vehicles through the checkpoint or number of vehicles breath tested? Call taker: Well the way I reckon... Garda: I reckon it's stopped and breathalysed, is it? Call taker: Even if they are not breathalysed, if you stop them and stick your head in the window, aren't they controlled, that's my thinking on it. Garda: We will go with you…Ah 120 went through... Call taker: How many negative breath tests? Garda: 30 and 30, 60 ah 80, 90 we will say.
RustyNut wrote: » I think it was from the bottom to the top.
tayto lover wrote: » Ah well if that's all it was it was minor enough. I never saw anyone sell themselves short anywhere i worked when quoting figures. Nobody was harmed.
Pawwed Rig wrote: » Apart from the extra people who died because they did not perform their duties of course. Road safety enforcement has a direct correlation with accidents and fatalities.
tayto lover wrote: » Ah well if that's all it was it was minor enough. I never saw anyone sell themselves short anywhere i worked when quoting figures. Nobody was harmed. I'd be more concerned at what happened in the Kerry Babies case than i would over that because someone suffered or was accused in the wrong.
goat2 wrote: » I cannot think what time of the year it happened, but that area would have tourists mainly for the july, august time of year back then,
