Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

endacl wrote:

A Christian who is registered to vote can vote any way they like on any issue.

You are certainly NOT a Christian if you vote for abortion.

eviltwin wrote: »

You think myself and my husband should be given a life sentence.....good luck with that. Never going to happen.

I wouldn’t even bother justifying you to these people. Not one thing Christian about the utter contempt and piousness out of them.
They don’t understand and never will. You did nothing wrong and you made the right decision for your family.

WhiteRoses wrote: »

I see you are still having trouble discerning the difference between opinions and facts.

nope wrong. you are mixing me up with someone else.

eviltwin wrote: »

You think i should be in prison? I had an abortion. How long is appropriate?

a full life sentence with no chance of release i presume. it is what murderers should actually be getting anyway, abortion asside.

eviltwin wrote: »

Yeah, I think I will pass Owen. You see, I'm not sorry, I don't believe I've done anything wrong and I'd do it again. I also donate to a charity that helps fund abortion for disadvantaged women and I campaign for a repeal group and will continue to do so as long as I'm around to do so so I'm not going to waste my time looking to a god I don't believe in.

you don't need a god to tell you that you are wrong, there are plenty of people who will do it instead.

eviltwin wrote:

Yeah, I think I will pass Owen. You see, I'm not sorry, I don't believe I've done anything wrong and I'd do it again. I also donate to a charity that helps fund abortion for disadvantaged women and I campaign for a repeal group and will continue to do so as long as I'm around to do so so I'm not going to waste my time looking to a god I don't believe in.

That's your choice. However, it is the wrong one and because I love you and all others in your situation, I have to point out the error of your ways.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Whats a life sentence in Ireland these days?

You think myself and my husband should be given a life sentence.....good luck with that. Never going to happen.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Abortion takes the life of a human person. It is morally wrong and should be illegal.

You want to go one step further. You want to put people in prison. Who exactly? The woman? Her partner? How about the friend who lends them the money or the friend who travels with them or the family member who sourced the clinic? What about all the people campaigning at the moment and the people running groups that offer assistance to those who travel?

eviltwin wrote: »

You think i should be in prison? I had an abortion. How long is appropriate?

Whats a life sentence in Ireland these days?

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

You should repent of your sin. God will forgive you immediately. Then go and receive the Bread of Life, to nourish your soul and prevent you from falling into sin again.

Yeah, I think I will pass Owen. You see, I'm not sorry, I don't believe I've done anything wrong and I'd do it again. I also donate to a charity that helps fund abortion for disadvantaged women and I campaign for a repeal group and will continue to do so as long as I'm around to do so so I'm not going to waste my time looking to a god I don't believe in.

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Abortion takes the life of a human person. It is morally wrong and should be illegal.

eviltwin wrote:

You think i should be in prison? I had an abortion. How long is appropriate?

You should repent of your sin. God will forgive you immediately. Then go and receive the Bread of Life, to nourish your soul and prevent you from falling into sin again.

NaFirinne wrote: »

What normally happens to murders and there accomplices?

You think i should be in prison? I had an abortion. How long is appropriate?

eviltwin wrote: »

What do you think we should do with all these murderers and their accomplices so?

What normally happens to murders and there accomplices?

Nick Park

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Why would I use a report button? You said it was beyond you what these things had to do with women's healthcare, and I responded by pointing out that they were relevant to the subject of the thread.

I believe I am as entitled as any Christian to give my opinion on whether or not a Christian can vote for unlimited abortion? Or are you saying that only Christians are welcome to the discussion?

Dear me, you're getting a bit paranoid here. Where did I say that you weren't entitled to give an opinion? I didn't say anything that could possible be construed as saying that only Christians are welcome to the discussion.

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end of the road wrote: »

there is nothing wrong with it. it's accurate and truthful. i understand it's uncomfortable but i find no matter how uncomfortable that truth and honesty is always best.

In my opinion there is a lot wrong with it. In my opinion it is not accurate or truthful. His post was his opinion, not a factual synopsis.

I see you are still having trouble discerning the difference between opinions and facts.

WhiteRoses wrote: »

There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start.

there is nothing wrong with it. it's accurate and truthful. i understand it's uncomfortable but i find no matter how uncomfortable that truth and honesty is always best.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Your correct abortion does have serious health repercussions for women, which is why we definitely need to save the 8th.

Killing another human being should always be a criminal act.

Would you advocate a man traveling to a middle east country just so he can legally kill his wife?

A human being is a human being no matter what stage of life it's at.

Killing is killing.

Pro-choice is for giving women the right to sentence their babies to death.

What do you think we should do with all these murderers and their accomplices so?

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it's not really compelling. in relation to any situation there will always be some extremes and while they shouldn't be ignored, they are not really the norm. most people are able to travel to the uk and have their abortions with no complications. it's possible that even if we had abortion on demand in ireland, people who have had issues after traveling to the uk would still have them here.
there were also a number of different factor's involved in Savita's death from what i understand, so she wouldn't be the best case to use in relation to repealing the 8th.

NaFirinne wrote:

Your correct abortion does have serious health repercussions for women, which is why we definitely need to save the 8th.

NaFirinne wrote:

Would you advocate a man traveling to a middle east country just so he can legally kill his wife?

NaFirinne wrote:

Killing another human being should always be a criminal act.

NaFirinne wrote:

A human being is a human being no matter what stage of life it's at.

NaFirinne wrote:

Pro-choice is for giving women the right to sentence their babies to death.

Good man, or woman, thank you.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Your correct abortion does have serious health repercussions for women, which is why we definitely need to save the 8th.

Killing another human being should always be a criminal act.

Would you advocate a man traveling to a middle east country just so he can legally kill his wife?

A human being is a human being no matter what stage of life it's at.

Killing is killing.

Pro-choice is for giving women the right to sentence their babies to death.

There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start.

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Your correct abortion does have serious health repercussions for women, which is why we definitely need to save the 8th.

Killing another human being should always be a criminal act.

Would you advocate a man traveling to a middle east country just so he can legally kill his wife?

A human being is a human being no matter what stage of life it's at.

Killing is killing.

Pro-choice is for giving women the right to sentence their babies to death.

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For those claiming that removing the 8th will help save mothers lives really need to have a read of this article.

Is it's claims false?

It claims Ireland has one of the lowest rates of maternal mortality in the entire world.

This is without abortion.

Is it false this narrative that appears to be coming even from Government and media that it is a health risk not having abortion?

Please have a read of this article

http://stjosephprc.org/save-life-of-mother/

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Nick Park

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Well, the thread title should help. This is not a general thread about women's health care. It is about whether Christians can vote for unlimited abortion or not.

Your own unbelief is irrelevant to the thread's subject. But the beliefs of Christians, including their belief in the existence of God, is relevant.

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again, the fetus doesn't have greater rights then the woman, just an equal right to life as per the constitution.

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it actually is human. you are mixing up being human with personhood. a fetus once it begins to develop is a human being, given that it is human. it is not a person quite yet, but will become one before being born.

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agreed. however, the unborn isn't her body, so that statement is irrelevant to this debate. nearly anyone agrees that a woman can do what she likes with her body, however she cannot do what she likes with the living human being within it.

Shoobs86 wrote: »

I think that this is the incorrect way to view the situation. As a Christian, yes, I uphold the moral and biblical law of thou shalt not kill. And therefore, I will not have an abortion by choice. However, I also currently run the risk of being killed by doctors during my pregnancy simply because there is no room in the law for them to terminate a pregnancy if I am at risk. Yes, the wording says it's ok if I am at risk - but we have seen evidence of doctors unwilling to do anything because they are afraid of being sued. I, personally, am already scared by this.

As a Christian I also have to be honest with myself and realise that I have never walked in another's shoes; I cannot, and have no right to, interfere with someone else's choice - isn't that why God gave us Free Will? To sin, to repent, to be forgiven.

I don't believe that voting "No" in this referendum will cease abortion in this country. I also don't believe your position that amending the 8th Amendment will mean that there is a murder free-for-all - be sensible in your arguements, this is NOT an approval for murder in general. It is approval for the decriminalisation of a medical procedure to end a pregnancy before the 12 week mark. This procedure happens every day in all countries - this referendum will not stop it.

I also have to point out, as the parent of a Down Syndrome child, that the testing for Down Syndrome cannot be done before 12 weeks, and therefore the risk of "abortion due to disability" is removed by this time limit.

When I weigh this all up morally, I cannot in good faith believe that I have the "high ground" above other people when I am not God - God has given people Free Will and it is not my place to judge under any circumstance. I can keep MY morals intact by not having an abortion, and by supporting proper Adoption services, but I cannot judge those who will have an abortion either way - no matter what the result of the referendum.

the thing is that we do interfere in people's choice every day with the laws that govern our society. the reason we do this is because it's excepted that it is not viable to allow the people to have the free will to make some choices, for the greater good of society. there are many reasons for repeal of the 8th but abortion on demand would be the one to cause a no vote if that is what happens. if the plan was for abortion in medical circumstances then there would be plenty even on the pro-life side, including myself who would vote repeal. i believe if one really is against abortion on demand they should vote no and not be afraid to do so, after all this could potentially be the last time we get to vote on this issue. voting no won't eradicate abortions but it won't allow abortion on demand within ireland, and the expence and all other aspects of having to travel to the uk may make some think about not having an abortion on demand and look to other options such as adoption.

Shoobs86 wrote: »

This is completely irrational. Where are you coming up with "white apes"? What has that got to do with anything in this thread?

This is why non-Christian people think that we are all nuts - you must be logical in your responses!

his point is that throughout history, man has dehumanized whoever it decides it wants to be able to kill, enslave, or ill-treat in any form.
most non-christian people don't think christians are nuts. we may not subscribe to your religion but only the ignorant think you to be a nut.

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Its evil to force a woman who does not want to be pregnant, to be pregnant. Where is the logic in that?

in a situation where she could die or become permanently injured or disabled, i'd agree. outside that, no it isn't, as the unborn have a right to life.

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

God is in charge of women's healthcare.

No he isn't.