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Another Sinn Fein blunder?

Brendan Bendar

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/gerry-kelly-removed-clamp-from-his-car-sinn-féin-confirms-1.3379431

Can this be true?

If it is, it would appear that it's another faux pas by SINN Fein following on the Kingsmill sliced pan incident.

A party who it was difficult to lay a glove on up to this seems to have 'pulled the ripcord' ?

First it's wee Barry and O'Muilleoir

Then auld Dessie

Now it appears that Jerry has cracked.

What's going on here.

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Brendan Bendar

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Just curious what is the reason behind you repeatedly putting the first word in Sinn Féin in capitals.
Is it an in-joke that that I have missed?

Nothing sinister Gorm, predictive text for Sinn Fein , was too lazy to change it.

Won’t happen again.

BalcombeSt4

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Nothing sinister Gorm, predictive text for Sinn Fein , was too lazy to change it.

Won’t happen again.

Yeah but with all that Russian hacking and stuff going on you can't be to careful. Could be a message to start a coup here in Dublin.

McMurphy

I don't really think this thread went the way the OP envisaged it might go.

Prob two things will result.from it imo.

1 - people who would never vote for Sinn Fein still never will.

2 - due to the thread being dropped into AH with its higher traffic flow, a lot more people now may be aware that private clampers have as much legal clout / jurisdiction to put a foreign object on their car as a goat in a wet suit has - ie none.

Just dont park like an arsehole to begin with, and you should have no problems.

However if you come back to discover some clown in a high vis jacket has placed a device on your vehicle that is preventing you from moving, please think twice about making a payment to the company responsible, more often than not they're skirting around the ages of what is considered legal anyway, with an appeals process that is a sham and exists only in name - so even if you have done nothing wrong you're very unlikely to get your cash back.

Even calling them up to give a credit card payment means calling a premium telephone number where your charged an exorbitant amount per minute plus another exorbitant amount masked as a "card fee" because you paid by card (how else can you make a payment to a machine over the phone?)

Remove the clamp yourself, or call a friend or family member to help you out if you don't know how to.

Here's a helpful article from Micks Garage.ie that gives detailed instructions on how to go about removing a clamp.

In thr article organisations such as the AA say the following about clamping:

The AA also finds it unacceptable that private clampers and the landowners who are their clients present themselves as being of equal legitimacy with clamping that is carried out under the direction of the local authority. They are not.

Signs frequently mention a parking ‘fine’ for example. A fine is an amount of money paid as a penalty for a criminal or civil infraction and may only be imposed in accordance with the law. A car owner who parks on private land where there is an implied right of access, such as a car park, cannot be held to be in breach of the law. The motorist might be held to be at fault in a civil matter with respect to the limitations that the land-owner has declared for allowing access to his property; then again he might not and it could ultimately require a civil action to rule on the matter.

Just bear in mind that state bodies such as councils etc can indeed legally clamp you - but at least you have a proper and fair appeals process to go through should you feel you have been clamped in the wrong.

Don't forget to send the OP A small token of thanks for creating this thread and inadvertently get that message out there and maybe preventing you from parting with your hard earned cash.

/raises his mug of coffee to Brenner.

smurgen

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I don't really think this thread went the way the OP envisaged it might go.

Prob two things will result.from it imo.

1 - people who would never vote for Sinn Fein still never will.

2 - due to the thread being dropped into AH with its higher traffic flow, a lot more people now may be aware that private clampers have as much legal clout / jurisdiction to put a foreign object on their car as a goat in a wet suit has - ie none.

Just dont park like an arsehole to begin with, and you should have no problems.

However if you come back to discover some clown in a high vis jacket has placed a device on your vehicle that is preventing you from moving, please think twice about making a payment to the company responsible, more often than not they're skirting around the ages of what is considered legal anyway, with an appeals process that is a sham and exists only in name - so even if you have done nothing wrong you're very unlikely to get your cash back.

Even calling them up to give a credit card payment means calling a premium telephone number where your charged an exorbitant amount per minute plus another exorbitant amount masked as a "card fee" because you paid by card (how else can you make a payment to a machine over the phone?)

Remove the clamp yourself, or call a friend or family member to help you out if you don't know how to.

Here's a helpful article from Micks Garage.ie that gives detailed instructions on how to go about removing a clamp.

In thr article organisations such as the AA say the following about clamping:

Just bear in mind that state bodies such as councils etc can indeed legally clamp you - but at least you have a proper and fair appeals process to go through should you feel you have been clamped in the wrong.

Don't forget to send the OP A small token of thanks for creating this thread and inadvertently get that message out there and maybe preventing you from parting with your hard earned cash.

/raises his mug of coffee to Brenner.

If only they had a party in the north trying to abolish this clamping like we have in the south https://www.finegael.ie/new-vehicle-clamping-legislation-needs-to-tackle-clamping-in-private-car-parks-lawlor/

Lucy8080

Everyman must stand behind the man behind the tyre.

Feckin' clampers!

Brendan Bendar

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I don't really think this thread went the way the OP envisaged it might go.

Prob two things will result.from it imo.

1 - people who would never vote for Sinn Fein still never will.

2 - due to the thread being dropped into AH with its higher traffic flow, a lot more people now may be aware that private clampers have as much legal clout / jurisdiction to put a foreign object on their car as a goat in a wet suit has - ie none.

Just dont park like an arsehole to begin with, and you should have no problems.

However if you come back to discover some clown in a high vis jacket has placed a device on your vehicle that is preventing you from moving, please think twice about making a payment to the company responsible, more often than not they're skirting around the ages of what is considered legal anyway, with an appeals process that is a sham and exists only in name - so even if you have done nothing wrong you're very unlikely to get your cash back.

Even calling them up to give a credit card payment means calling a premium telephone number where your charged an exorbitant amount per minute plus another exorbitant amount masked as a "card fee" because you paid by card (how else can you make a payment to a machine over the phone?)

Remove the clamp yourself, or call a friend or family member to help you out if you don't know how to.

Here's a helpful article from Micks Garage.ie that gives detailed instructions on how to go about removing a clamp.

In thr article organisations such as the AA say the following about clamping:

Just bear in mind that state bodies such as councils etc can indeed legally clamp you - but at least you have a proper and fair appeals process to go through should you feel you have been clamped in the wrong.

Don't forget to send the OP A small token of thanks for creating this thread and inadvertently get that message out there and maybe preventing you from parting with your hard earned cash.

/raises his mug of coffee to Brenner.

Appreciate that John, indeed some informative stuff in there for sure .

However there are some serious shortcomings in your cunning plans.

Major fault is the assumption that folk have the time and inclination to get involved in standoff’s in car parks.
Only water protestors who get up at 6am to prevent installation and go on marches would seem to have that kind time to spare.

Second major flaw is attributing logic to poor Paddy!

“Don’t park like a twat and you’ll have no problem”

You see,Paddy doesn’t do that stuff.

If Paddy or Patricia think they can get away with it they will do it,Johhner.

It’s hardwired in,deep seated,”Aah sure I’ll be fine “ No parking, invalid, two yellows,set down only,yellow boxes,busses only,loading zones mean Jack Schidt.

Fork everyone else Paddy’s goin in here and fork them,sure I got away with it dozens of time before ... If I could drive in the door of the Supermarket I’d do it!

Jonner that’s what we are up agin, and to be honest I sometime get wood when I see some arsehole with a bull nec staring at the yalla shoe and the smartie up to his ear.

God bless the clampers Johnner, make life much easier for the rest of us.

Little carried away, John, please forgive me.

blanch152

Did anyone expect anything different from Gerry Kelly? The man has printed sectarian leaflets and is a convicted terrorist. I am not a bit surprised at his behaviour.

The only question left for me is do we know what else he carries around in his boot apart from bolt cutters? And what does he normally use them for?

McMurphy

Major fault is the assumption that folk have the time and inclination to get involved in standoff’s in car parks.
Only water protestors who get up at 6am to prevent installation and go on marches would seem to have that kind time to spare.

Or 6am gym goers.

Also there's no need for a stand off - just remove the clamp - no need to interact with the man or woman that placed it there.

Anyway - as an aside I'm glad I have enligheneged you on what exactly the grey areas are surrounding private clampers.

I'd like to reiterate that the main advice would be to try not to park like an arsehole to begin with, but the resident boards high horsers might now find themselves in a bit of a sticky wicket advocating potentially illegal acts of clamping to begin with.

Happy to help. Yours Johnny Dogs.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Did anyone expect anything different from Gerry Kelly? The man has printed sectarian leaflets and is a convicted terrorist. I am not a bit surprised at his behaviour.

The only question left for me is do we know what else he carries around in his boot apart from bolt cutters? And what does he normally use them for?

Where in the article does it state that Kelly had bolt cutters in his boot

Presumably the gym is close to his home where he may have bolt cutters there, or a quick phone call and someone could duly oblige.

the sheriff is HERE

blanch152 wrote: »

Did anyone expect anything different from Gerry Kelly? The man has printed sectarian leaflets and is a convicted terrorist. I am not a bit surprised at his behaviour.

The only question left for me is do we know what else he carries around in his boot apart from bolt cutters? And what does he normally use them for?

gerry kelly is a amateur, where is his angle grinder for his boot and a few padlocks. his right to free movement was impeded, he took the clamp off, and can now move freely.

also didn't gerry kelly protect a british soldier during rioting.

Jawgap

blanch152 wrote: »

Did anyone expect anything different from Gerry Kelly? The man has printed sectarian leaflets and is a convicted terrorist. I am not a bit surprised at his behaviour.

The only question left for me is do we know what who else he carries around in his boot apart from bolt cutters? And what does he normally use them for?

That's one boot you'd not want to open......

splinter65

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

That's why all property should be shared amongst the working class.

I agree all people who have jobs and are working should share property.
If you have no job and are fit and healthy you should get nothing. Nada. Zilch . Zero.
If you can find a place on waste land to build a structure to live under then you can hunt for berries and nuts and rats to eat, as long as your not taking anything from the working classes, who now own all the property.
I’m glad your on board now Balcombe.

cycle4fun

As blanch says, "The man has printed sectarian leaflets and is a convicted terrorist. I am not a bit surprised at his behaviour.", but is it true (it says it on wiki )he once shot someone in the head too? I suppose some people here would think that was ok too seeing as that person was doing his job in a state uniform / upholding the law.

Little disregard for the law then,little disregard for the law now (by parking on double yellow lines on a road, and then unwilling to pay the dime for the crime.)

Oh, and to make it good in the eyes of the worlds media, is he not Sinn Feins party spokesperson on policing and justice? The Germans are having a good laugh.

Fann Linn

The Germans!

the sheriff is HERE

"cycle4fun wrote: »

Little disregard for the law then,little disregard for the law now (by parking on double yellow lines on a road, and then unwilling to pay the dime for the crime.

he didnt park on double yellow lines, he also didnt commit a crime. [/quote]

he was denied free movement by a private clamping company, so he cut the padlock and was able to freely move again.

buy an angle grinder gerry.

Are Am Eye

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

he didnt park on double yellow lines, he also didnt commit a crime.

he was denied free movement by a private clamping company, so he cut the padlock and was able to freely move again.

buy an angle grinder gerry.

I had the same problem last month when a red light was attempting to deny me free movement. The nazi cops couldn't or more like didn't want to understand.

the sheriff is HERE

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I had the same problem last month when a red light was attempting to deny me free movement. The nazi cops couldn't or more like didn't want to understand.

did the red light hire a private company to clamp your car and charge you for the privilege of declamping it?

legally gerry has done nothing wrong, he might have to replace a padlock but that's about it.

cycle4fun

Seems to be plenty of yellow lines under the parked car in the video.

[Deleted User]

From a legal perspective, he didn't break the law as it was (appears to be) on private property, but he did violate the rules that were prevalent when you enter someone else's property.

JohnnyFlash

This story might be smaller than the one emerging in Ballymun about a Sf councillor being assaulted by the wife Of a SF TD. All over the twitter I’ve hear. Photos and everything.

piplip87

Fecking Brits colluding with parking companies, and sure an under cover Brit sold him the bolt cutters and he tried to ring the clamping company but the phone was vandalised.

Its not his fault he was set up and those who broke the phones should be done instead

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

From a legal perspective, he didn't break the law as it was (appears to be) on private property, but he did violate the rules that were prevalent when you enter someone else's property.

has he not committed criminal damage?

Are Am Eye

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

he didnt park on double yellow lines, he also didnt commit a crime.

he was denied free movement by a private clamping company, so he cut the padlock and was able to freely move again.

buy an angle grinder gerry.

I had the same problem last month when a red light was attempting to deny me free movement. The nazi cops couldn't or more like didn't want to understand.

the sheriff is HERE

cycle4fun wrote: »

Seems to be plenty of yellow lines under the parked car in the video.

a yellow box alright seems to be under his car, yellow line in front too, why was his car the only car to be clamped from the video.

the sheriff is HERE

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I had the same problem last month when a red light was attempting to deny me free movement. The nazi cops couldn't or more like didn't want to understand.

the cops or gardai will tow a car and rightly so.

this was a private company denying gerry his right to free movement.

diomed

Just a slight misunderstanding.
He didn't understand he was being filmed.

[Deleted User]

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

has he not committed criminal damage?

Yes, but it would be for the landowner or clamping company to report the offence as the police did not catch him in the act.

It's a crime against an individual/business as opposed to one against the state.

McMurphy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

has he not committed criminal damage?

To a padlock?

Get a grip.

Berserker

blanch152 wrote: »

Did anyone expect anything different from Gerry Kelly? The man has printed sectarian leaflets and is a convicted terrorist. I am not a bit surprised at his behaviour.

To be fair to Gerry, he is very open and honest about his sectarianism. No Ireland of equals in his world.

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

a yellow box alright seems to be under his car, yellow line in front too, why was his car the only car to be clamped from the video.

Countless reasons. The other cars might not have been parked there when the clampers arrived. Alternatively, if they were parked there when the clampers entered the car park, the drivers were smart enough to keep an eye out for the clampers and move their cars before the clampers had time to clamp them.

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

this was a private company denying gerry his right to free movement.

Doesn't have the right to damage their property though.

Are Am Eye

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

the cops or gardai will tow a car and rightly so.

this was a private company denying gerry his right to free movement.

The legal position is that by parking there he enters into a contract whereby he agrees that his car will be clamped and remain clamped until a fine is paid. That signs are up is deemed sufficient notice to him that he is entering this contract. This has been upheld by the courts.
So dont mind your freedom of movement ****e.
Everyone knows that this area needs control and regulation but a few years ago when the issue was being reviewed the govt chose to do nothing. So it is unregulated and often abused.
I wouldn't blame anyone for cutting em off. This guy got caught, was his mistake.