Liberalising abortion 'will lead to killing of elderly and those with disabilities', senior bishop warns
Oldtree wrote: » Bishop Kevin Duran, a "church heavy hitter" is still wading in with his heavy hitting viewpoint Talk about moving the goalposts to encompass all that is "Evil" with the saintly bishop hitting the sheep to the moral rectitudes of the 1930's. What's next from the good bishop? The removal of the eighth to lead to the sterilisation and genocide of the travelling community, or anybody with a squint?https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/abortion-referendum/liberalising-abortion-will-lead-to-killing-of-elderly-and-those-with-disabilities-senior-bishop-warns-36558197.html
applehunter wrote: » Why scoff? A cursory glance at the last 100 years would show you that anything is possible in the name of progress.
applehunter wrote: » Joeytheparrot wrote: » The whole thing is a lie 1 How can 90% of babies be aborted? A baby is born human being 2 Its complete irrelevant nonsense given that the oireachtas is proposing legislation for 12 weeks. Dehumanize Then kill.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » The whole thing is a lie 1 How can 90% of babies be aborted? A baby is born human being 2 Its complete irrelevant nonsense given that the oireachtas is proposing legislation for 12 weeks.
applehunter wrote: » Dehumanize Then kill.
Edward M wrote: » So if a foetus isn't human until its born then its just a bug like entity, entitled to be squished or trampled on without fear of repercussion.
Edward M wrote: » Not much made of it indeed laughs from the crowd as it happened. Abortion can be viewed as similar in some respects. Imagine the horror if a dog had strayed in and been given a boot in the hole to get him out. Its hard to gauge human indignation at what is happening sometimes.
Edward M wrote: » That's not it though, dehumanise and then it doesn't matter. So if a foetus isn't human until its born then its just a bug like entity, entitled to be squished or trampled on without fear of repercussion. It was funny watching the snooker there lately, the UK championship, they had a few bugs and wasps annoying the players. Players and referees made big arm swings at them and a few were squished by hand on the table or trampled on the floor after being swatted down. Not much made of it indeed laughs from the crowd as it happened. Abortion can be viewed as similar in some respects. Imagine the horror if a dog had strayed in and been given a boot in the hole to get him out. Its hard to gauge human indignation at what is happening sometimes.
applehunter wrote: » Why scoff?
volchitsa wrote: » Which is exactly why all but the most insane/least tuned-in of them (yes I'm looking at you, Bishop Kevin Doran) much prefer to operate through their non clerical mouth pieces like Breda O' Brien and David Quinn. I'm sure there's much tearing of hair and rending of garments among the anti-choice movement whenever Bishop Kevin decides to continue speaking his mind the way priests have always done in Ireland. aka instructing the flock. I see Bishop Eamon Martin had a little foray into the same field a few weeks back, but he seems to be more biddable, and hasn't been heard from on the issue since.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » I doubt there is much insanity when it comes to Bishop Doran. The man is keen for advancement and being the attack dog for the church is a way to do that.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » So you think he is keen to get publicity as an attack dog even if it helps the Repeal movement? I say let him go for it.
volchitsa wrote: » There's strategy and then there's complete absence from the debate.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Neither the 8th or time limits in the constitution are acceptable in my opinion. Can you imagine the court cases on whether a woman is 10 or 13 weeks pregnant. This is much more complex than having a divorce 4 year separation in the constitution. The X case was in 92. The judgement wasnt legislated for till well over 20 years later. This idea that every general election will turm into fighting over abortion is just a red herring. Replacing the 8th with time limits is a really really bad way of doing this.
volchitsa wrote: » Good point. Winning the referendum is one thing, but being a team player isn't the way to catch the eye of the Vatican. I suppose he has to choose. Terrible dilemma for the others. Do they let him make his name among their bosses while they all sit obediently by, no fire and brimstone preaching at all? Where's their sense of moral duty? There's strategy and then there's complete absence from the debate. (I do hope they all join in. )
markodaly wrote: » Yet you are then comfortable to give no constitutional rights at all to the unborn. That is fine by the way but many and I think the majority are not comfortable with that. Thus the whole thing could fail.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Can you explain how it is possible to give 'rights' to what the State itself does not consider a person without stripping the rights of an actual living, breathing, citizen?
markodaly wrote: » That binary outlook means that all unborn up to the last few minutes before they are born have no rights what so ever.
markodaly wrote: » If you are comfortable with that, fine. Many would not be and indeed many would view the abortion of an unborn person of say 38 weeks be the same as killing someone who was born at 40 weeks.
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markodaly wrote: » I am talking about constitutional protections here for those past the 12 weeks, where there will be none.
