Joeytheparrot wrote: » It is exploiting the child. Down Syndrome Ireland have said it is disredpectful to people with down syndrome and their families and these images are causing a huge amount of unnecessary stress.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » What exactly is horrible about the billboards & what if any type of pro life billboards would you find acceptable ? when they used some graphic posters in the past some people say its " horrible " & when they use non graphic images some people still take offence, for example this is a new billboard van being driven around town at the moment & some people are still taking offence over it even though there is no graphic images on display . It is downright nasty. If the 12 week legislation comes in it is effectively lying. It is exploiting the child. Down Syndrome Ireland have said it is disredpectful to people with down syndrome and their families and these images are causing a huge amount of unnecessary stress.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » What exactly is horrible about the billboards & what if any type of pro life billboards would you find acceptable ? when they used some graphic posters in the past some people say its " horrible " & when they use non graphic images some people still take offence, for example this is a new billboard van being driven around town at the moment & some people are still taking offence over it even though there is no graphic images on display .
Bannasidhe wrote: » You have done rather more than 'mention' it, you have been actively banging on about it. If you did so much campaigning in '15 you would know that one of the strengths of that campaign was the disciplined way people kept on message and actively counteracted attempts at 'but if we allow this then ...*insert floodgates scenario here* scaremongering. I see no counteracting from you - I see dissemination.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » One other poster pointed out something from an Irish times article- I wasn,t aware of till he/she mentioned it. "" The Irish Times claims he is Joseph Cronin and his mam Catriona gave full permission to use his image.""https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106033987&postcount=6420 Given that the boys mother gave her permission for his image to be used in the billboard campaign, how is he being exploited once his parent/guardian consented to give permission to use his image ? if his image was used without any permission being given then yeah I would see issue with it- but once permission has being given Id see it as his mothers own personal business if she wants his image to be used, this new group the Irish times mentioned ( Disability voices for life ) if they want to campaign & give permission for images to be used in billboards I don,t see any issue with it .https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/child-with-down-syndrome-to-feature-in-anti-abortion-billboard-campaign-1.3372867
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Yep. As I said earlier he is continuously spreading reasons to vote no.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » One other poster pointed out something from an Irish times article- I wasn,t aware of till he/she mentioned it. .... Given that the boys mother gave her permission for his image to be used in the billboard campaign, how is he being exploited once his parent/guardian consented to give permission to use his image ? if his image was used without any permission being given then yeah I would see issue with it- but once permission has being given Id see it as his mothers own personal business if she wants his image to be used, this new group the Irish times mentioned ( Disability voices for life ) if they want to campaign & give permission for images to be used in billboards I don,t see any issue with it .
Sweetemotion wrote: » What has the SSM referendum got to do with this referendum? I have no idea why the two are seen as the same.
freshpopcorn wrote: » Just making people aware of the issues that's coming up and I feel people aren't taking them seriously! It's very easy to say reasons why to vote yes.
freshpopcorn wrote: » When the same sex marriage referendum passed. This referendum was called for basically because of how Ireland is changing with the result. I also feel the No side can pick poles in this campaign this time that might stick. It's a total different referendum and I find some people are very complacent at the moment.
Sweetemotion wrote: » I can see your argument and why you said it. I'm sure joey does too, but it's either you are fully with us or the enemy. How can they not see this will push people away?
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Tell us why you will vote yes then?
NuMarvel wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » One other poster pointed out something from an Irish times article- I wasn,t aware of till he/she mentioned it. .... Given that the boys mother gave her permission for his image to be used in the billboard campaign, how is he being exploited once his parent/guardian consented to give permission to use his image ? if his image was used without any permission being given then yeah I would see issue with it- but once permission has being given Id see it as his mothers own personal business if she wants his image to be used, this new group the Irish times mentioned ( Disability voices for life ) if they want to campaign & give permission for images to be used in billboards I don,t see any issue with it . You're not saying much about how this material is misleading if not outright lying. Funny that. Abortion on grounds of disability isn't in the committee's recommendations and the Institute of Obstetricians have said it's not realistic or feasible to get a diagnosis in within 12 weeks, meaning it won't be done under the on-request option. The poster is telling us "don't let that happen here" yet no one on the anti-repeal side is telling us how it can happen here.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » "" You're not saying much about how this material is misleading if not outright lying. Funny that. ""I addressed the claim the billboard van is saying/quoting in an earlier post this evening .https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106033668&postcount=6402
Bannasidhe wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » "" You're not saying much about how this material is misleading if not outright lying. Funny that. ""I addressed the claim the billboard van is saying/quoting in an earlier post this evening .https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106033668&postcount=6402 A cut and paste job is not 'addressing' - not even in a very large typeface.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » I addressed the claim the billboard van is saying/quoting in an earlier post this evening
Joeytheparrot wrote: » The whole thing is a lie 1 How can 90% of babies be aborted? A baby is born human being 2 Its complete irrelevant nonsense given that the oireachtas is proposing legislation for 12 weeks.
pitifulgod wrote: » And it's going to incredibly hurtful for people with down syndrome or family members with it to have to deal with such billboards for the next 6 months. Kira doesn't seem to care about such things though.
NuMarvel wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » I addressed the claim the billboard van is saying/quoting in an earlier post this evening "the poster is telling us "don't let that happen here" yet no one on the anti-repeal side is telling us how it can happen here." You haven't addressed that part of the claim, and considering we're talking about what will happen here, in Ireland, that's the most relevant part. If you had an answer, you'd have provided it by now. Clearly you don't, hence your evasion and deflection.
Water John wrote: » There is every likelyhood, as I mentioned before, that the law would be stricter than 12 weeks.
Water John wrote: » Oaf, well I told where I was getting my facts from. What have you got to back up what you are saying. Not being smart here. Just think the proposed legislation would not be a foregone conclusion, erring on the stricter side.
Legislation to allow for abortion up to 12 weeks will not pass through the Dáil unless Sinn Féin changes its party policy.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » If a future government ever decides to legalise for abortion access further then the current 12 week limit proposal...
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » If the Tds on the repeal side want 12 weeks access & 12 weeks access only, they should be calling for a legal clause to ensure any future legalisation stays at 12 weeks only & goes no further-the fact that they aren,t calling a for a legal clause is telling .
