Mickiemcfist wrote: » Except it would take absolutely vast infrastructural & transport upgrades, and house prices hitting a threshold where high rise makes sense, which it wouldn't as we could always go outside the M50.
cgcsb wrote: » Easy. You have a variety of sports facilities offering a variety of sports only a short stroll away where you can meet with and integrate with lots of other children from lots of other ethnic, religious and socio-economic backgrounds. This is great for children's social skills. When I went to college I done a course almost entirely populated by 18 year old country lads who genuinely could not relate to someone without their mutual interest in GAA, ham, mass, anti-traveler and anti-gay bigotry. They were socially and emotionally incontinent, probably because they only ever played with their blood relatives if at all as kids. If your neighbors have a party and are disrespectful you talk to them about how it bothers you, this requires social interaction with people you may not know, a daunting experience for many a rural dweller I know. As for your neighbors who may be unemployed(unemployment is more commonplace in rural areas anyway), perhaps they are human beings who you can interact with and not be afraid of.
cgcsb wrote: » High rise makes sense already which is why the 22 storey capital dock apartment building is almost complete. The only barrier to high rise in Dublin is that David Norris, the Irish Georgian Society, An Taisce and a number of other government funded individuals that can afford to live in Dublin don't actually mind if plebs are FORCED to commute from Kildare.
marno21 wrote: » That's for national roads, the other poster was on about te rural boreens under the jurisdiction of the council Wicklows national roads are the N11 and N81. The N11 south of Ashford is now totally motorway. TII are moving forward on a major scheme to upgrade the N11 between Bray and Ashford but it's unfunded. Unfunded in the same way Cork's massive list of road upgrades are unfunded
cgcsb wrote: » Trucks can drive on existing roads, only slightly slower, the issue is we're spending far larger sums on inter-rural mega motorways and bridge than we are on high usage urban rail. That is what is so backwards. The priority projects should be those that deliver maximum benefit. the New Ross bypass is low priority, by any sane standard, in country where the capital and second largest City don't have a functional public transport set up due to low/no funding.
Idbatterim wrote: » I was in galway the other day, the place is like a quaint village! galway a counterweight do Dublin, LOL! down in the irish glass bottle site, they are finalising plans for building a town for 30,000 residents, in cherrywood where work has commenced, the same figure, there is also clonburris SDZ which is being moved forward which will have a population of 20k, totalling 80k residents, the population of galway city. there will never be a comparison in terms of national importance, its like comparing manchester to london, but if there is to be a counterweight, it needs to be cork. The only other town or "city" of any size in the country...
lawred2 wrote: » From a national point of view, I don't think motorway grade from Dublin to Rosslare is that daft. We've built less necessary motorways.
Del.Monte wrote: » @Middle Man I presume you mean areas like Sandymount and low density housing along the DART line such as the area just south of Lansdowne Road - below. Should have been done decades ago - utterly wasteful use of land.
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Ben D Bus wrote: » I feel like rambling so here's my view on why rural Ireland - and rural everywhere - is dying and will continue to die no matter what sort of framework is put in place to fight it. Minority interests. Everybody has them but by definition we all have different ones. No town or village can cater for a wide range of minority interests. Only centres of large population can. So while a small town can possibly provide what everyone wants - jobs, a school, a couple of sports clubs etc. they can't cater for all the less common desires of the population. So as someone mentioned GAA a few times, here's my extreme sample scenario. You want to field the best GAA team you can. You proudly announce you can offer plentiful employment and great GAA facilities in your town. But your goalkeeper wants a job, GAA and arthouse cinema so he moves to a town with a dedicated arthouse cinema. The full backs want jobs, GAA and theater so they move to a city with theatres. The midfielders want jobs, GAA and fine dining. The forwards want jobs, GAA and live jazz gigs so they'll follow the rest of the team to the city. Opening a cinema in the town won't save the team. Nor will a nice new restaurant, or a jazz club or a theatre. You need to provide them all. It's not just about attracting industry, it's about providing for all the disparate requirements of the workforce. Even in Dublin, many leave for the brighter lights of bigger cities as we can't compete with the level of provision for wide ranging interests. I accept that many people want to lead uncomplicated lives that centre around work, sport and family (sorry if that sounds patronising the way it's worded but you know what I mean!) but younger people especially have greater expectations and greater awareness of the possibilities so they will always be drawn to locations that offer them more. Not everyone, maybe not even a majority, but enough to lead to a continuous decline in rural populations. No amount of politicking will ever change this.
lawred2 wrote: » Agree with everything except the Manchester to London comparison... It's much more ridiculous than that. Greater Dublin has 13 times the population of Greater Galway. London has only 4 to 5 times the population of Manchester. Cork is Ireland's second City and as such is the only really viable candidate as a counterweight.
Agree with everything except the Manchester to London comparison...
nuac wrote: » So why had Ballymun to be knocked?
bk wrote: » Because it wasn't actually in the city and had almost zero facilities around it. A completely idiotic development. Tall buildings surrounded by fields all round. BTW I live in an apartment in Dublin City. I've never lived in a home so nice. It is easily the quietest and warmest home I've ever lived in by a large margin. Can't hear a thing from neighbours around. Also nice green area all around the building leaving lots of space for the kids to play in.
D Trent wrote: » Interesting What are management fees like? Do they cover bin charges ?
chatticusfinch wrote: » Do these threads ever achieve anything or just rehash the same rural v urban ding dong?
LeinsterDub wrote: » Once we had a thread were we figured out the meaning of life but unfortunately boards crashed and we lost it. What do you expect a thread on a discussion forum to achieve?
nuac wrote: » A GAA player who cannot live without an arthouse cinema!. I have met thousands of sportsmen and sportswomen over the years. Never heard any of them express an interest in an arthouse cinema.
wakka12 wrote: » The damage is already done, the massive sprawl is already there. And a few twenty story skyscrapers will do very little to mitigate that.Thousands of people will still have huge commutes even if skyscrapers are built. The sprawl occurred in a not so long ago past because everyone wanted a semi d with a back garden and drive way, and to extent is continuing this way, because there is still demand there. Just saying this because everyone seems to love blaming the government for urban sprawl and poor transport, western cultute ( want for private car and large private home)is the primary reason for it's origin. But they are stupid for not allowing more high-rises today, as we could try to start anew. And not let the sprawl continue to grow. For that I criticise them, but not for the original existence of the sprawl. Imo Dublin really needs a large surrounding green belt that should be made illegal to be built on. We need to start demolishing a few handful of semi d's and cottages at a time in prime areas, especially ones with large gardens and driveways, and begin building 7-8 story blocks on them.
Middle Man wrote: » My take on the whole thing: I completely agree that this one off housing thing is a total farce in terms of planning, but crowding everyone into a few cities isn't going to solve things either - for example, look at all the rail lines and numerous skyscrapers that are being built in London - is the congestion there getting any better? From what I'm hearing, No, and that's with a planning system that is well ahead of us. What we need to do is build decent new towns (50 - 100k) across the country and make sure that 1) they're on decent rail links, 2) they're close to strategic motorways and 3) they have proper broadband. Such towns also need to be planned so that all major day to day activities are within walking distance for at least 85% of the population (those with reduced mobility are being factored in). We seriously need to go hi-tech so as to reduce day to day travel demand over long distances - for example, e-commerce and alternatives to the mass production model (3D printing is likely to evolve well beyond its current capabilities). We need bold new initiatives to pull this country out of the mess that it's in. Cities like Dublin should be expanded within their current footplate areas - this entails the gradual demolition of low rise suburban areas as mass transit is rolled out in order to generate intra-urban passenger potential in order to ensure the viability of mass transit infrastructure.
cgcsb wrote: » 40% of Ireland's population is rural, do you know how many farmers/foresters there are? less. By contrast 4% of the UK is rural, and NI makes up a lions share of that.
