The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Nope, sorry. I responded to what I saw in front of me.

I was being sincere in my reply. I didn’t misrepresent anything.

If you are making claims of me being disingenuous you’re going to back it up and explain how.

I simply don't believe your claim of sincerity.

Ave Sodalis

q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

I think you understood me very well and chose to misrepresent my post - I've called you out on it. I think most reasonable people will call your post for what it is - disingenuous

I actually don't see what was misrepresented either. I think you may need to clarify

q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

I think you understood me very well and chose to misrepresent my post - I've called you out on it. I think most reasonable people will call your post for what it is - disingenuous

Nope, sorry. I responded to what I saw in front of me.

I was being sincere in my reply. I didn’t misrepresent anything.

If you are making claims of me being disingenuous you’re going to back it up and explain how.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I would favour that, because that is the reality. Men on the other hand are not safe until they are boxed!

But democracy means that you and others beyond childbearing years will always have a say and that is good too. I think!

If male, you will never have to face such a decision. Will you?

I think you are contradicting yourself there in your first two paragraphs!
Regarding your last point ...Never have to face such a decision? One can't rule out medical advances in these gender fluid times!

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q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

Thats a shocking misrepresentation of what I posted and quite dishonest. You need to recalibrate your moral compass - it's way off course

How so? You talked about women using abortion in lieu of contraception, those were your exact words. So to claim otherwise is pure deflection.

NuMarvel

RobertKK wrote: »

It will be most likely the big business abortion providers who will move in fill the void if the 8th amendment is replaced.

After nearly 50 years of Irish people going to them, I suppose it would make a nice change for them to come to us.

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Sorry, which bit did I misunderstand? The bit about not trusting women or the bit about fearing women would use abortion as a means of contraceptive?

I think you understood me very well and chose to misrepresent my post - I've called you out on it. I think most reasonable people will call your post for what it is - disingenuous

q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

Thats a shocking misrepresentation of what I posted and quite dishonest. You need to recalibrate your moral compass - it's way off course

Sorry, which bit did I misunderstand? The bit about not trusting women or the bit about fearing women would use abortion as a means of contraceptive?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/amnesty-international-ordered-to-return-donation-from-billionaire-george-soros-1.3320638

Podge_irl wrote: »

How?

q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

Why stop there. Using your logic you could limit the voting to women of child bearing years - impacts them the most

I would favour that, because that is the reality. Men on the other hand are not safe until they are boxed!

But democracy means that you and others beyond childbearing years will always have a say and that is good too. I think!

If male, you will never have to face such a decision. Will you?

WhiteRoses wrote: »

No sane person uses abortion as a means of contraception.

Anyone who suggests so clearly has no knowledge of what the procedure involves, because if they did they would know no woman would go through with it unless they had no other option - let alone multiple times as a means of contraception.

The fact that you don’t trust women is pretty disgusting and speaks for itself but hey ho, it is your CHOICE to feel that way and who am I to deprive you of that?

You are right about it being my opinion but the good thing about being pro choice is that I’m actually not forcing my opinion on anyone, or on society as a whole.
Have an abortion, don’t have an abortion. Everyone has their own choice and opinion and is free to live their lives and make their own decisions as they see fit.
It’s to pro-life side that are forcing their opinions and beliefs on everyone.

I’m not arrogant enough to believe that my opinion speaks for society as a whole.
I trust other women.
Maybe you should do that too.

Thats a shocking misrepresentation of what I posted and quite dishonest. You need to recalibrate your moral compass - it's way off course

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Anytime I see George Soros mentioned I reckon it's a paid bot.

What does that mean?

a robot?

Nettle Soup wrote: »

In many ways I wish the referendum was configured so that votes from women were weighted higher.
It impacts them a lot more.

Why stop there. Using your logic you could limit the voting to women of child bearing years - impacts them the most

Annasopra

applehunter wrote: »

George Soros is indirectly trying to change our constitution. Media seem to be ok with this.

At least Chuck Feeney is actually of Irish heritage.

Anytime I see George Soros mentioned I reckon it's a paid bot.

q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

That is your opinion. There are other opinions on the matter though. Some might not share your trust of other women using abortion in lieu of contraception.

No sane person uses abortion as a means of contraception.

Anyone who suggests so clearly has no knowledge of what the procedure involves, because if they did they would know no woman would go through with it unless they had no other option - let alone multiple times as a means of contraception.

The fact that you don’t trust women is pretty disgusting and speaks for itself but hey ho, it is your CHOICE to feel that way and who am I to deprive you of that?

You are right about it being my opinion but the good thing about being pro choice is that I’m actually not forcing my opinion on anyone, or on society as a whole.
Have an abortion, don’t have an abortion. Everyone has their own choice and opinion and is free to live their lives and make their own decisions as they see fit.
It’s to pro-life side that are forcing their opinions and beliefs on everyone.

I’m not arrogant enough to believe that my opinion speaks for society as a whole.
I trust other women.
Maybe you should do that too.

q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

That is your opinion. There are other opinions on the matter though. Some might not share your trust of other women using abortion in lieu of contraception.

Men are absolved from all responsibility once more I see. It is a female issue and they will be the fallen woman.

Get a life or get the snip yourself.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Maybe because you keep bringing up George Soros, and your family are sick of listening to you bleat on, while grown ups try to have a conversation?

Soros has never come up in these arguments tbh. These arguments are more fundamental than that.

The media have a duty to report on it and be robust in their job. People in their day to day lives do not have the time to investigate this stuff. That is why we are supposed to have a fourth estate.

Nettle Soup

WhiteRoses wrote: »

I don’t think there’s much compassion in forcing someone who doesn’t want to be pregnant into motherhood, regardless of circumstances.

I trust other women to know their own limits and what they can and can’t cope with, and am in full support of her terminating for any reason she deems necessary enough to do so.

Limiting it to FFA and rape isn’t good enough.

In many ways I wish the referendum was configured so that votes from women were weighted higher.
It impacts them a lot more.

WhiteRoses wrote: »

I don’t think there’s much compassion in forcing someone who doesn’t want to be pregnant into motherhood, regardless of circumstances.

I trust other women to know their own limits and what they can and can’t cope with, and am in full support of her terminating for any reason she deems necessary enough to do so.

Limiting it to FFA and rape isn’t good enough.

That is your opinion. There are other opinions on the matter though. Some might not share your trust of other women using abortion in lieu of contraception.

Annasopra

ForestFire wrote: »

Sorry but this is asking people to stop discussing, trying to shut down debate.

If something new is raised , then counter it, but don't try to stop new arguments/info.

I am not shutting down any debate whatsoever.

Annasopra

ForestFire wrote: »

I don't even know the background to this, But are people not allowed to progress their views, add to their views as new information is presented.

If you asking everyone to stick to what they thought or said 2 weeks ago, that just seems like trying to stop the discussion.

I am just highlighting the person says he supports repeal but on the other hand keeps finding fault with lots of aspects of repeal. It doesnt add up.

Podge_irl

applehunter wrote: »

Then if comes to light that multi-billionaire George Soros is funding one the main repeal groups. But, not only that, in doing so he is breaking irish law. Sounds like a juicy story to me. Media blackout for 4 days.

How?

Sofiztikated

applehunter wrote: »

Something about this guy Soros that doesn't seem right. I mean his own people aren't too fond of him either.

Here we have a media that has been hammering 8th Amendment for the last 5 years non stop.

Then if comes to light that multi-billionaire George Soros is funding one the main repeal groups. But, not only that, in doing so he is breaking irish law. Sounds like a juicy story to me. Media blackout for 4 days.

The complicit media is where my outrage comes from.

It feels like I am screaming in the wind.

Already it is a referendum that has brought up huge debate and argument in my own home. But the same debate is not happening in the media.

Maybe because you keep bringing up George Soros, and your family are sick of listening to you bleat on, while grown ups try to have a conversation?

q9214n5louyt3p wrote: »

He supports abortion in cases of rape and FFA - compassion for what now?

I don’t think there’s much compassion in forcing someone who doesn’t want to be pregnant into motherhood, regardless of circumstances.

I trust other women to know their own limits and what they can and can’t cope with, and am in full support of her terminating for any reason she deems necessary enough to do so.

Limiting it to FFA and rape isn’t good enough.

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

In the UK they are suffering from a shortage of doctors when it comes to performing abortions.

More accurately, in the UK they are suffering from a shortage of doctors, full stop.

https://www.ft.com/content/a3a52be8-8e3a-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d
In the next three years Britain’s cash-strapped National Health Service will be spending £100m in an effort to find 5,000 new doctors. In other words, each doctor needed to plug growing staffing shortages will cost £20,000 in fees to recruitment agencies.

Even then, there will be shortfalls. Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, indicated earlier this year that the UK needed more like 11,500 doctors by 2020 to meet the demands of a seven-days-a-week NHS — one in which staff are as available at weekends as they are on weekdays. That the current supply-demand gap is of this magnitude speaks volumes about the gulf between government ambitions and reality.

Zubeneschamali

RobertKK wrote: »

It will be most likely the big business abortion providers who will move in fill the void if the 8th amendment is replaced.

Who, Sainsburys?

I doubt that anyone wants to abort. But sometimes they have to for many reasons.

Compassion for the circumstances of women you will never know or care for post termination would be a start.

But it seems to me that women are, as usual the vilified ones, when it always takes two to tango.

As you were, and back to the debate.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Are you just as outraged by the outside influence (mostly American) that is also trying to interfere in this referendum or is it just George Soros you have taken umbrage to?

Something about this guy Soros that doesn't seem right. I mean his own people aren't too fond of him either.

Here we have a media that has been hammering 8th Amendment for the last 5 years non stop.

Then if comes to light that multi-billionaire George Soros is funding one the main repeal groups. But, not only that, in doing so he is breaking irish law. Sounds like a juicy story to me. Media blackout for 4 days.

The complicit media is where my outrage comes from.

It feels like I am screaming in the wind.

Already it is a referendum that has brought up huge debate and argument in my own home. But the same debate is not happening in the media.