Mr. teddywinkles wrote: » Who said boreens. Driving down the quays in cork city the other day was like going cross country. People on here moaning about he capital being under funded. If it's bad up there what do you think the rest of the country looks like.
hmmm wrote: » Rural roads are in ****e because: 1. There are too many of them 2. There are only a handful of people using most of them 3. The limited money we have for road repairs goes to the busier and more important roads In most parts of the world, they don't have tarmac'd roads going up every boreen, and even in some very wealthy countries a lot of side roads are dirt/gravel.
Mr. teddywinkles wrote: » Must be why most of the roads down the country are in ****e then.
Ben D Bus wrote: » So while a small town can possibly provide what everyone wants - jobs, a school, a couple of sports clubs etc. they can't cater for all the less common desires of the population.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » I remember the former Sec General of the Department of Finance John Moran saying that a hub outside Dublin was very necessary. He mentioned Limerick with Shannon airport close by. I think he is from Limerick but that is not relevant to his vision.
sdanseo wrote: » Cork is the perfect city in which to invest as a regional "counterweight" city. It has a large enough existing population to be a proper city outright. It's in a county which is fiercely of its own identity as much as it is Irish and already home to some big hitters not least Apple. Just one example, the Czechs invested heavily in infrastructure in their second city of Brno, population around 400,000, which is 200km from Prague. It has a functional orbital ring road, a well developed and modern tram system, and since my job is logistics I can vouch most of all that as a result it is home to some serious industry while still maintaining its identity. This in a country with a GDP less than a THIRD of ours per capita. Cork has none of that and no hope of developing in the same way unless it gets investment. The same goes for Galway, Limerick, Waterford - the latter two of which have attempted ring roads which go part of the way round and then abruptly terminate with either a housing estate in the case of Limerick or a Hospital in Waterford.We simply cannot. properly. do. planning. in this country.
Tell me how wrote: » I disagree with you. But that's normal. People often seem to have very binary views on things these days. Dublin being the economic powerhouse of the company is solely because of the businesses located there. My suggestions are a counterpoint to that while availing of housing, office and industrial infrastructure which is already in place is no indication that everyone wants a front and back garden (I don't know here you got that from). Your suggestion that we need a counterweight to Dublin. Where do you suggest that be? Should everyone then move to within (painful) commute of either of these areas? What then with the rest of the country?
368100 wrote: » Well its my land, bought and paid for by me so I'm perfectly entitled to utilise it or not as I want.
draiochtanois wrote: » You do know that rural dwellers pay less tax? And that city taxpayers subsidise rural Ireland?
cgcsb wrote: » That's where you're wrong. The government is required to provide services where it would be an efficient use of resources to do so. AS for rural tax refund. Greater Dublin and the South West are the only regions that contribute more taxes than they get in spending so if anything it would be higher rural taxes for the services you have already. That's grand, pay for it so.
Tell me how wrote: » TLDR People travel in to or try to live in Dublin because that is where work is. Move the work out of Dublin will mean those workers will not have to travel in to or live in the area. This will alleviate housing crisis within the city and revitalise the area where the business and workers are located outside of the city. Rinse and repeat.
Hugh Jampton wrote: » That counterweight is Galway, but it is being crucified by car-centric planning. You couldn’t pour enough tarmac into it to satisfy all the Little Americans who want to prove how sprawling the bejayzus out of it and its hinterland will work. Never mind the fit of the vapours many of the pro Sprawl enthusiasts get when any rail-based solution is suggested.
jobbridge4life wrote: » Your TLDR is not an accurate reflection of your post. Aside from your disclaimer about loving Dublin the majority of it was a bog standard, Dubs get it all and sure it is no New York. You are flatly wrong about the infrastructure part, it is Dublin not the countryside which is compartively underserved by its infrastructure. We have an M50 that is at breaking point, a very limited public transport system, parts of the city can't even get adequate broadband. This is inspite of being the economic powerhouse of the country. There are schemes to help encourage the development of businesses outside of the Dublin area. The problem is that most people, and most businesses, want to live in a major urban area (as they do all across the world). You have a critical mass of businesses, facilities and population, it makes sense for businesses to be in or close to that centre. You hardly imagine that businesses are choosing to locate in Dublin and its environs because they have some grudge against the countryside. Dublin badly needs a counterweight, I think everyone can agree on that. The issue is to achieve that counterweight we need other major urban areas. Not 20+ county towns spread around the country with their town centres denuded of anything resembling a functioning core because everyone wants a front and back garden they can neglect and yet expects all the same services as those that chose to live in town centres and city centres. You literally cannot have it both ways, the last 70 years of development in this county have made that abundantly clear.
snotboogie wrote: » Next up should be the North Ring
cgcsb wrote: » The Tuam mega motorway for €500mil is the big shocker for me. The M20 DART Underground and Metro North are three projects that are so far overdue it's laughable and we're off converting low usage roads to motorway standard often with massive bridges and extremely expensive and elaborate junctions (see the M6, M17, M18 junction it's a whopper).
LeinsterDub wrote: » freedominacup wrote: » What motorway network? We got a motorway fan. You can get to any part of the country quickly now providing you start from Dublin. It has the added benefit that politicians have much reduced journey times to and from their constituencies. Like it or not a fan is still a network and Dublin to Cork\Limerick\Galway is where most of the demand is . Next up should be the M20 .
freedominacup wrote: » What motorway network? We got a motorway fan. You can get to any part of the country quickly now providing you start from Dublin. It has the added benefit that politicians have much reduced journey times to and from their constituencies.
cgcsb wrote: » Rosslare heavy port or not, the existing road has an AADT of around 10,000. Metro North could give you that in an hour
Idbatterim wrote: » I live in Dublin, but here is a question, how in gods name is that new ross bypass farce being built ahead of the M20 cork to limerick...
cgcsb wrote: » Rigghhhhht.... So the UK with it's 96% urban population, they must all be barking mad by now, right?
LeinsterDub wrote: » You seem to have missed the 10's of billions spent on the Motorway network.
CarlosHarpic wrote: » Look at the difference between Croke Park and Dalymount Park if you want to see where the Rural v Ubran Irish agenda lies.
cgcsb wrote: » Great that's Cork though, are we not talking about 'rural ireland'
