Reati wrote: » What a sh*tty attitude. Seriously. They pay taxes for those services just like you. Public services are not a business or profit making exercise. All people who live in this county deserve the necessary public services no matter where they choose to live. If you don't think the Government of Ireland should provide services to "the blight" then there should be a rural tax refund as they aren't getting services.
Reati wrote: » I'd take rural Ireland any day over living beside Fintan,Grace Chloe and their 2.3 kids in a 3 bed semi in South Dublin by the Luas line with views of the mountains through the apartment blocks next door.
MayoSalmon wrote: » If rural Ireland were to rely on the taxation they pay alone it would look like a region out of a 3rd World country
Deleted User wrote: » The rural > urban move has been going since the industrial revolution. Short of the technology of the world ceasing to function, its not going to change
looksee wrote: » The implied suggestion in the thread that the entire population should be confined to cities is not very realistic; how is agriculture to be managed, and the services for agriculture, and the services for people engaged in agriculture, schools, shops etc, and the people offering those services, and so on and on.
Charles Babbage wrote: » Can citizens of the country not expect the government to serve all of the citizens in all places?
Charles Babbage wrote: » Or perhaps British interests want everyone to move to the Pale.
Mickiemcfist wrote: » As a city dweller, even I think this post is ridiculous. This is a problem caused by unevenly spread FDI, it's hardly that Dublin workers are working harder. It's that the government are using Dublin as a selling point to get Facebook, Google, Microsoft etc. To base themselves here & they're paying corporation tax as a Dublin based business, you'll find a lot of staff there are from outside Ireland, or not from Dublin. I really think the Govt should be giving further grants for businesses to start in other cities, Kilkenny, Limerick Waterford etc.
Tell me how wrote: » As someone living outside of Dublin, I do have a strong sense that when it comes to planning and infrastructure, it is "Dublin and everywhere else" with everywhere else largely picking up crumbs from what is left over after what has been allocated for Dublin.
Tell me how wrote: » I find this evident in conversation about infrastructure, services and most recently the homeless situation. This last one in particular frustrates me because there are still plenty areas of the country that have empty blocks of apartments and housing estates but yet the conversation is about how we need more units in and around Dublin. And why is this? Because that is where people want to live and where the jobs are, we are told. This is where the behaviour of the government is lacking in my view. There are hundreds of businesses in the greater Dublin area which do not necessarily need to be there. The business function could operate just as well anywhere else. And a large amount of people working in these places are travelling from outside the region to work there. What adds to this is that a large number of the people who end up working in these businesses in dublin travel from elsewhere in ireland because there are very few opportunities local to their region.
Tell me how wrote: » For example, a large insurance business is located in Cherrywood off J13 on the M50. There are about 500 people working there.Could that business not operate just as well in Nass, or Newbridge, or Navan. I bet that the commute for a large number of people working there would not necessarily be any longer if it was located in one of these areas. And maybe, (definitely) they would hire more from the surrounding area ultimately reducing the crush for houses associated with these 500 people. Similarily, that business could located in Nenagh, Mallow, Castlebar, Letterkenny or so on but there is a fascination with Dublin, because the company says that is where the people are, and yet those people are travelling in to the area anyway and those that do not have ties are adding to the crisis in that space. And how many more businesses are there like this? I don't know why the IDA and the government don't incentivise businesses to locate outside of Dublin which would lessen issues there and create employment and fill houses in the new location.
Tell me how wrote: » The location of the new children's hospital will mean stress and difficulties for the sick and their families and I shudder to think how I would feel if I lost a child because of the delay in getting to the hospital. But yet, the government choose not to locate it outside the M50. I'm not suggesting it should have been Dingle but the difference in moving it 15 miles further out would be so much more beneficial to a great proportion of the rest of the country. I can travel from Ennis to the M50 in 2Hrs. If I have to travel in to St James, that is generally another hour on to the journey for the final 10 miles or so in peak traffic.
Tell me how wrote: » For people who say rural Ireland is being destroyed with one off housing. I agree some of it doesn't help, but I very much agree that if people cannot live locally then they will definitely not tend to the farms which make up the countryside and make the country the aesthetically pleasing place it is. Housing in rural Ireland doesn't seem to bother the hundreds of cars travelling from dublin to holiday homes in places like lahinch and dingle and connemara every long weekend during the summer. Houses which are usually empty then until the next time people want a break from the rat run of life in the big city. And maybe do cut down on one off housing but facilitate group schemes of 6-10 houses in designated areas or try to encourage building in villages and town so people don't feel the need to build in a one off location.
Tell me how wrote: » Someone opened a thread about rail transport to Shannon airport seeing as it is being discussed for Dublin airport and was bluntly told that 30M passengers travel through Dublin whereas 1.7M travel from Shannon. Guess what, a lot of those 30 million travel to and from the west to dublin because there aren't services in Shannon. There aren't services in Shannon because there aren't the numbers and so the problem feeds in to itself. It use to gaul me in my last company, based in Shannon, when we had to use Dublin airport for access to flights for staff or customers due to no flights from Shannon. That costs lost manhours for every international acting business in the entire west and south of the country in my view.
Tell me how wrote: » Galway, Limerick and Cork and several of the larger towns in the mid and south west (and elsewhere) have a lot of expertise which should be leveraged more to attract businesses to the region. That coupled with the available industrial and office space and very low price accommodation in commutable distance should be a no-brainer in my mind to a planning strategy for the entire country. When I hear experts on radio and tv shows move from one item to the next and talk about the need for more houses and then the next expert talking about a better work life balance and then the next talk about travelling infrastructure I get frustrated because we have a lot of solutions to these problems already existing, actually sitting and waiting, in the entire country but yet we hear Dublin, Dublin, Dublin like it is some utopia which only needs some minor tweaking.
Mr.H wrote: » Limerick cork Waterford and galway can attract tech companies. But infrastructure was not being funded because of glamour projects such as Dublin metro.
cgcsb wrote: » Or how about the new mega bridge which will provide a motorway bypass of the New Ross megalopolis. :eek:
Harry Palmr wrote: » New Ross size is somewhat irrelevant, it's the fact it's there at all and the topography of the valley combined with Rosslare Port heavy loads that has necessitated the need for a major span crossing at high level rather than a pokey low level crossing.
Malayalam wrote: » Go anywhere in rural Ireland and you will find the old stones of cottages that littered the landscape, one off dwellings outside of villages. In my area there would be multiples of these old places compared to the amount of houses here now, the place used to thrive. With one off housing!! It's not like we have not been doing that for millenia - we have.
Wanderer78 wrote: » ive seen people become mentally unwell by living in densely populated areas after moving from less densely populated areas. many being forced back into less densely populated areas for these reasons. some humans simply cannot deal with it
wench wrote: » The Govt and IDA have tried bribing companies to set up outside Dublin, but with limited success because there isn't the critical mass of ready employees there. They tried with Ebay, and were basically told if they wanted the jobs in Ireland, it would be in Dublin. Otherwise they'd go elsewhere in Europe.https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2003/0916/42287-ebay/
cgcsb wrote: » Mickiemcfist wrote: » As a city dweller, even I think this post is ridiculous. This is a problem caused by unevenly spread FDI, it's hardly that Dublin workers are working harder. It's that the government are using Dublin as a selling point to get Facebook, Google, Microsoft etc. To base themselves here & they're paying corporation tax as a Dublin based business, you'll find a lot of staff there are from outside Ireland, or not from Dublin. I really think the Govt should be giving further grants for businesses to start in other cities, Kilkenny, Limerick Waterford etc. The government already provide funding for non Dublin based business it's called the IDA. Facebook and Microsoft are making a choice between Dublin or Amsterdam, and it's a hard one because Amsterdam has properly funded public transport. The choice is not between Amsterdam and Longford. Dublin is our only City of International significance and we need it desperately to survive.
Idbatterim wrote: » I live in Dublin, but here is a question, how in gods name is that new ross bypass farce being built ahead of the M20 cork to limerick...
cgcsb wrote: » Great that's Cork though, are we not talking about 'rural ireland'
cgcsb wrote: » The Tuam mega motorway for €500mil is the big shocker for me. The M20 DART Underground and Metro North are three projects that are so far overdue it's laughable and we're off converting low usage roads to motorway standard often with massive bridges and extremely expensive and elaborate junctions (see the M6, M17, M18 junction it's a whopper).
CarlosHarpic wrote: » Look at the difference between Croke Park and Dalymount Park if you want to see where the Rural v Ubran Irish agenda lies.
LeinsterDub wrote: » You seem to have missed the 10's of billions spent on the Motorway network.
cgcsb wrote: » Rigghhhhht.... So the UK with it's 96% urban population, they must all be barking mad by now, right?
freedominacup wrote: » What motorway network? We got a motorway fan. You can get to any part of the country quickly now providing you start from Dublin. It has the added benefit that politicians have much reduced journey times to and from their constituencies.
cgcsb wrote: » Rosslare heavy port or not, the existing road has an AADT of around 10,000. Metro North could give you that in an hour
LeinsterDub wrote: » freedominacup wrote: » What motorway network? We got a motorway fan. You can get to any part of the country quickly now providing you start from Dublin. It has the added benefit that politicians have much reduced journey times to and from their constituencies. Like it or not a fan is still a network and Dublin to Cork\Limerick\Galway is where most of the demand is . Next up should be the M20 .
