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Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Probably time to open a new thread for the 2018 season?

Silly season is still in full swing as we all know with Williams and Sauber not having confirmed their line ups as yet.

What are people's opinions on the Halo and Alfa Romeo for 2018?

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El_Duderino 09

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

You'll be able to hear a pin drop when that happens.

Quite the opposite. If they are upset enough, the sound of their grumbling will be as loud as a v10

boardsuser1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Imagine the uproar from the engine noise brigade!

You'll be able to hear a pin drop when that happens.

The days of brilliant engine noise is long gone.

Happy days with the sound from the V8's/V10's

Who remember's the sound of the extra thirsty Ferrari V12

El_Duderino 09

Mr.H wrote:

But just getting rid of them to appease generation snowflake is just another nail in the coffin for society.

Neither of us were around when the decision was taken to have grid girls. Let's assume that they were chosen because the culture at the time wanted grid girls for commercial reasons. Now that culture has changed and it no longer wants grid girls for commercial reasons, it's a nail in the coffin of society? How does that work? Is all change bad or just this change?

F1 is free to choose the show it puts on. It's unfortunate that they won't be hiring grid girls any longer, but it's hardly F1's job to provide them with employment.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

F1 will eventually give way to FE i reckon and either merge or F1 will stop completely.

Merger is most likely when the technology is advanced and EVs become more common. Imagine the uproar from the engine noise brigade!

boardsuser1

skipper_G wrote: »

As for the time change thing, I can see there's some logic in it for broadcasters with no pre-show build up. They can have their regular programming until the hour mark and then get a few comments in before the race start. But anyone already with a build up will more than likely cram another ad break in. I'll see how it pans out in practice, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I’ve been reading it on Sky, all I can say is what dafuq?

http://www.skysports.com/share/11232101

[Deleted User]

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Mixed bag for me - as I'm from Italy, growing up all the EU races used to start at what were effectively 14.00 for me (GMT+1 in Italy), so living in Ireland now it'll just mean sort of a throwback to the '80s and 90's; But I do think the move is ill advised when it comes to clashes - In Italy, for example, this will put F1 even more in a clash with Serie A and people will always choose football over anything else down there; Just like in the Uk, France, Spain and Germany.

The "10 past the hour" thing is downright dumb and a pointless advertisement stunt, I agree.

For me I'm usually hungover on a Sunday so I do little if anything before the 1pm races. This will just mean it'll be 4pm before I can do anything. :P

And yeah, it's gonna clash worse now with the football, even the mid-afternoon kick-offs.

H3llR4iser

skipper_G wrote: »

I enjoy the build up myself, it's part of the race weekend

Eh, if it was done well. I used to enjoy it until the last couple of years...when on the UK coverage, it has become a Hamilton-fan-fest. They mostly give out obvious and "I could figure that out myself" information, like "everyone starting soft tires". D'uh, I would have never imagined.

Mind you, I grew bored of it when I was in Italy also - Ferrari over everything else; You'd swear there were no other competitors, at times

boardsuser1

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I liked David Kennedy.

At least he knew his stuff unlike Collins.

Even Declan Quigley was respectable.

Jordan 199

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Did you ever watch the build up in the RTE days?

I liked David Kennedy.

boardsuser1

skipper_G wrote: »

All I remember about the RTE coverage was Peter Collins' over exuberance. But I have a lousy memory

You remember more than enough then :pac:

skipper_G

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Did you ever watch the build up in the RTE days?

All I remember about the RTE coverage was Peter Collins' over exuberance. But I have a lousy memory

boardsuser1

skipper_G wrote: »

I enjoy the build up myself, it's part of the race weekend

Did you ever watch the build up in the RTE days?

skipper_G

H3llR4iser wrote: »

In all honesty, I don't bother with any "build up" anymore - I used to avidly follow them, but frankly it's all showboating, character promotion and very little information now. I quite literally (used to) tune in at like .57 or .58 for the race.

I enjoy the build up myself, it's part of the race weekend

boardsuser1

H3llR4iser wrote: »

In all honesty, I don't bother with any "build up" anymore - I used to avidly follow them, but frankly it's all showboating, character promotion and very little information now. I quite literally (used to) tune in at like .57 or .58 for the race.

Same as myself, just the parade lap and lights out(and away we go, *shudders*)

H3llR4iser

skipper_G wrote: »

As for the time change thing, I can see there's some logic in it for broadcasters with no pre-show build up. They can have their regular programming until the hour mark and then get a few comments in before the race start. But anyone already with a build up will more than likely cram another ad break in. I'll see how it pans out in practice, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

In all honesty, I don't bother with any "build up" anymore - I used to avidly follow them, but frankly it's all showboating, character promotion and very little information now. I quite literally (used to) tune in at like .57 or .58 for the race.

skipper_G

As for the time change thing, I can see there's some logic in it for broadcasters with no pre-show build up. They can have their regular programming until the hour mark and then get a few comments in before the race start. But anyone already with a build up will more than likely cram another ad break in. I'll see how it pans out in practice, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

boardsuser1

skipper_G wrote: »

You're such an optimist

Has to be done

I'm a bit too optimistic though :pac:

H3llR4iser

Deleted User wrote: »

The 10 minutes is for ads and I don't like the hour later, more of the day used up.

Mixed bag for me - as I'm from Italy, growing up all the EU races used to start at what were effectively 14.00 for me (GMT+1 in Italy), so living in Ireland now it'll just mean sort of a throwback to the '80s and 90's; But I do think the move is ill advised when it comes to clashes - In Italy, for example, this will put F1 even more in a clash with Serie A and people will always choose football over anything else down there; Just like in the Uk, France, Spain and Germany.

The "10 past the hour" thing is downright dumb and a pointless advertisement stunt, I agree.

skipper_G

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

The FIA could use this as leverage to try and get Toyota back to F1 maybe?

As in 'we'll do it on certain conditions?'

You're such an optimist

Harika

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

The FIA could use this as leverage to try and get Toyota back to F1 maybe?

As in 'we'll do it on certain conditions?'

Like "First we have to win LeMans as only WorksTeam", can you please shorten the race by one lap this time?

Jordan 199

skipper_G wrote: »

Toyota still owns the Fuji Speedway right ?

They do.

boardsuser1

skipper_G wrote: »

Toyota still owns the Fuji Speedway right ? They will probably push for it considering Alonso would be driving one of their cars

The FIA could use this as leverage to try and get Toyota back to F1 maybe?

As in 'we'll do it on certain conditions?'

skipper_G

Infoanon wrote: »

Fuji is looking to change its date to avoid a clash with F1 !

Toyota still owns the Fuji Speedway right ? They will probably push for it considering Alonso would be driving one of their cars

[Deleted User]

The 10 minutes is for ads and I don't like the hour later, more of the day used up.

Harika

Ha the grid girls were just distraction of the real news:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/2/new-race-weekend-schedule-announced-for-2018.html

Basically all sessions in EU and Brazil will start one hour later, and the races itself start 10 minutes past the hour.
Won't change much for me, as if we have family dinner, it is always around 14:00, on the other hand it might be handy to get out early to the beach/shopping and be back for the race, what was tight before.

Infoanon

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

https://www.mclaren.com/formula1/team/fernando-alonso/mclaren-allows-fernando-alonso-compete-2018-le-mans-and-wec/

Alonso to race for Toyota in the WEC, except for Fuji.

Fuji is looking to change its date to avoid a clash with F1 !

H3llR4iser

Mr.H wrote: »

Well to be fair these grid girls where models. They where hired to model (for the grid part of their jobs anyway).

Maybe a way to appease everyone was to hire male models to stand with the cars also.

But just getting rid of them to appease generation snowflake is just another nail in the coffin for society.

Also I have never seen grid girls in anything but glamorous dresses?? They are pretty but they arent exactly getting their bits out

They should speak up, say that "woman <> baby", and they can take care of themselves - oh wait, we saw what happens whey they do, ask Catherine Deneuve. If someone disagrees with the "line of acceptable thought", they're the villain.

We're going towards an interestingly Huxleyan society, people jumping into the disthopia willingly and with both feet. Anyway, this is going waaaaay off topic.

Lionbacker

H3llR4iser wrote: »

I frankly don't give a passing sho1te, but the "huge win for women's right!" point is plainly riduculous. These girls aren't "exploited" nor "abused", they choose to do that specific job.

Yeah, actually it seems most of the grid girls are pissed off that they lost their job, rather than been happy that their not "exploited" any more.
An example being;

I LOVE MY JOB. So I’ve held my tongue long enough now, this is an absolute joke to now hear that F1 are scrapping grid girls!! It’s sad enough that the walk on girls have gone - one being my friend, then the talks of ring girls going in boxing but now this?! The world has gone mad! Supposedly these so called feminists are ‘defending us’ when actually because of these idiots we are losing our jobs! In the 8 years of promo - mainly being on the grid I have never once felt uncomfortable! I do this because I enjoy it and I have the choice. Maybe these idiots should actually speak to us first before piping up, it’s utter BS! Wind your necks in!!

Mr.H

Well to be fair these grid girls where models. They where hired to model (for the grid part of their jobs anyway).

Maybe a way to appease everyone was to hire male models to stand with the cars also.

But just getting rid of them to appease generation snowflake is just another nail in the coffin for society.

Also I have never seen grid girls in anything but glamorous dresses?? They are pretty but they arent exactly getting their bits out

H3llR4iser

Harika wrote: »

You can get a better look at more eye candy at this new invention called internet. :cool: my god, the original post at F1 is full of people claiming that 20 women are now losing their job :pac:

I frankly don't give a passing sho1te, but the "huge win for women's right!" point is plainly riduculous. These girls aren't "exploited" nor "abused", they choose to do that specific job.

[RANT MODE ON]

I overheard a funny discussion about it, somebody going on like this:

"We occasionally watch F1, and my daughter always asks why are these girls just standing around and not helping with the car".

I had to exercise a LOT of restraint not to barge in: "Well lady, you've lost a great opportunity to teach your little girl an important lesson: these lasses are just 'standing' there because, mostly, their looks are all they have going for themselves. If you don't want to end up just 'standing there', always remember to strive for improvement, educate yourself, learn to do useful things, be independent and don't rely on others - so you can be a 'girl' who actually helps building and tuning those cars, or drive one to the chequered flag".

And before anyone barges in, I know that some or maybe many of these "grid girls" are in College or whatnot, and just using their looks to earn a quick buck on they way to their desired profession. More power to them for it - I am a software engineer, but I'm also a feckin' big fella - and I used that to earn some quick money in my youth, working security at events and clubs.

[RANT MODE OFF]

Proposal: let's have oiled up, g-string wearing male bodybuilders on the grid, and let's see how long it takes for cries of "exploitation" to rise. I think we'll be waiting for a veeeeeery long time.