Mickiemcfist wrote: » They have the same number of jobs in either office, Google London has higher quality jobs. Why do you think that is?
Mr.H wrote: » You mean like apple going to galway? Uber to Limerick? What about Amazon, dell and vmware? All big companies who have no problem being outside Dublin.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Mr.H wrote: » You mean like apple going to galway? Uber to Limerick? What about Amazon, dell and vmware? All big companies who have no problem being outside Dublin. Rural Ireland doesn't mean everything outside of Dublin. There are many urban areas away from Dublin. Stop trying to make this about Dublin versus the rest of the country.
LeinsterDub wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html Fair enough. I would expect it due to the nature of the Irish operation being the European HQ but I think we are loosing sight of the fact that Google could have located in Waterford for example and choose not to.
Mickiemcfist wrote: » As a city dweller, even I think this post is ridiculous. This is a problem caused by unevenly spread FDI, it's hardly that Dublin workers are working harder. It's that the government are using Dublin as a selling point to get Facebook, Google, Microsoft etc. To base themselves here & they're paying corporation tax as a Dublin based business, you'll find a lot of staff there are from outside Ireland, or not from Dublin. I really think the Govt should be giving further grants for businesses to start in other cities, Kilkenny, Limerick Waterford etc.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Urbanisation is happening all over the world and has been for a long time. Cities everywhere are growing, often at the expense of rural areas, it is not just an Irish phenomenon. Talk about grants and promoting regional towns is ignoring the reality of the situation, you can't hold back the tide. The same even happens on a smaller scale in rural areas where villages are declining as people use the county town for shopping and socialising. I am from a rural area, I see plenty of towns and villages dying and it is not because of investment or infrastructure in Dublin, it is because the local people have abandoned their town in favour of their own acre of grass. The local shop, pub and post office didn't close because people in Dublin don't use it, they closed because the so called locals choose to drive 12km to the county town instead of 2km to the village. The only people who can save rural towns are the locals. Thinking that you can continue to do what has failed all around the world and that the government can force a large multi-national to set up and employ lots of people is fantasy. The small town or village will only survive if people actually live in it, the people living outside the village are killing it.
Deleted User wrote: Yup. If people aren't willing to pay the little bit extra in local shops and establishments to keep them going then what do they expect?
Mickiemcfist wrote: » Yeah we have sort of lost sight of the issue, my point was that FDI should be incentivised to come to Ireland, anywhere. But further large incentives should be given to set up in a tertiary city with low employment (would obviously need to suit on many levels, infrastructure, universities/IT's etc). As it stands it's just creating a completely two tiered economy, 5k google staff push up house prices in Dublin, increases spending in already successful Dublin bars, cafes & shops. That could be spread better throughout the country to have other smaller businesses thrive. I say this as someone who will from this point on always live in Dublin, but I have worked with plenty of Cork & Limerick people who'd love to move back if the right jobs were there.
Wanderer78 wrote: » It's a bit more complicated than that, failures of macro economic theory play a huge part to
Deleted User wrote: You can call it a failure if you like.
ED E wrote: » Nobody is setting up an EMEA base anywhere other than Dublin. Its not happening.
Wanderer78 wrote: » Very obvious to me it is, strangely many don't see it that way
Deleted User wrote: What's the alternative in policy? (I have a few ideas of what they might be and am ready to argue against )
ED E wrote: » Mickiemcfist wrote: » Yeah we have sort of lost sight of the issue, my point was that FDI should be incentivised to come to Ireland, anywhere. But further large incentives should be given to set up in a tertiary city with low employment (would obviously need to suit on many levels, infrastructure, universities/IT's etc). As it stands it's just creating a completely two tiered economy, 5k google staff push up house prices in Dublin, increases spending in already successful Dublin bars, cafes & shops. That could be spread better throughout the country to have other smaller businesses thrive. I say this as someone who will from this point on always live in Dublin, but I have worked with plenty of Cork & Limerick people who'd love to move back if the right jobs were there. Nobody is setting up an EMEA base anywhere other than Dublin. Its not happening. Cork got an Apple contact centre. Thats not a HQ, its not high tech or high income. Fine. Amazon Engineering and CS is Dublin. Their 2nd(4th, 8th, trade secret) DC is going to the west but a DC is 1000 racks per pair of hands, its not a big labour builder. People love to think that Galway or Limerick could take a big office but they can't. Dublin is tiny, everywhere else is microscopic on the scale of multinationals.
Doltanian wrote: » What rural Ireland needs more than anything else is fibre optic broadband and improved access to the cities for commuting ideally not by car.
ED E wrote: » Nobody is setting up an EMEA base anywhere other than Dublin. Its not happening. Cork got an Apple contact centre. Thats not a HQ, its not high tech or high income. Fine. Amazon Engineering and CS is Dublin. Their 2nd(4th, 8th, trade secret) DC is going to the west but a DC is 1000 racks per pair of hands, its not a big labour builder. People love to think that Galway or Limerick could take a big office but they can't. Dublin is tiny, everywhere else is microscopic on the scale of multinationals.
Malayalam wrote: » Go anywhere in rural Ireland and you will find the old stones of cottages that littered the landscape, one off dwellings outside of villages. In my area there would be multiples of these old places compared to the amount of houses here now, the place used to thrive. With one off housing!! It's not like we have not been doing that for millenia - we have. Sure, there were also villages and big towns, but people have also always liked to live in isolated landscapes.
Malayalam wrote: » I sure do. Cities and towns give me feelings of distress, I could not bear to return. If me and my neighbours did not live here, no one would ever cast an eye on these beautiful hills and lakes and fields - no tour buses would fit up the roads for people to gawk at the empty landscape -
Malayalam wrote: » and the land would truly wither, unseen.
Malayalam wrote: » The vitriol here is kind of surprising against country dwellers. I don't want your lights, libraries, amenities, trains. Never asked for them, though my tax is the same.
Malayalam wrote: » I look after my own water and sewage and travel a couple of miles to meet the rubbish collection system
Malayalam wrote: » Go anywhere in rural Ireland and you will find the old stones of cottages that littered the landscape, one off dwellings outside of villages. In my area there would be multiples of these old places compared to the amount of houses here now, the place used to thrive. With one off housing!! It's not like we have not been doing that for millenia - we have. Sure, there were also villages and big towns, but people have also always liked to live in isolated landscapes. I sure do. Cities and towns give me feelings of distress, I could not bear to return. If me and my neighbours did not live here, no one would ever cast an eye on these beautiful hills and lakes and fields - no tour buses would fit up the roads for people to gawk at the empty landscape - and the land would truly wither, unseen. Now at least there are still voices carried on the wind, children playing, people calling for lost animals. The vitriol here is kind of surprising against country dwellers. I don't want your lights, libraries, amenities, trains. Never asked for them, though my tax is the same. I look after my own water and sewage and travel a couple of miles to meet the rubbish collection system. I don't care. It is more than made up for with the peace. I do loads of business in the local villages, buy fuel there, coal, sticks, use the post office regularly, buy milk and bread and whatever. As for the talk of the petrol we bumpkins use, for goodness sake, it's microscopic compared to the fuel being burned morning, noon and night on the main arteries (congested and awful) heading inexorably towards Dublin, squeezing in the hassled hoards who have to waste hours every day in their cars. I may however be among the last generation to be able to live in the country side, by the looks of things. By the sound of people on here. It's as if we are outcasts, renegades, the blight on yer immaculate plan. Feck yiz, I'm holing up here!!
Pixel Eater wrote: » I'm from rural Ireland myself - specifically a small town where I grew up - but my parents moved to a one-off house a good few years ago several miles away. Now when I visit home, without complete access to a car, I find myself marooned in the house.
hmmm wrote: » When you visit the really well run parts of rural Europe, you don't see the same sprawl we have with one off houses littered all over the countryside. You see little villages, with people often living in apartments in villages, often multiple generations of families in the same very large house.
the_pen_turner wrote: » I don't believe those stats. Us rural people pay less tax yes but receive a lot less Money back too. Look at all the billions spent on stuff like the luas in cities. Rural Ireland can't even get a pothole fixed .
LeinsterDub wrote: » In the past you could of lived and died with no interaction with the state or state infrastructure . This is simply not possible anymore Yeah because what tourists want to see is a beautiful landscape and Malayalam's house. Beautiful unspoiled is what tourist want Why would the land wither? There is no vitriol . So you've never used the Garda, Fire , Health , Schools ? Where does your power and internet come from?
LeinsterDub wrote: » the_pen_turner wrote: » I don't believe those stats. Us rural people pay less tax yes but receive a lot less Money back too. Look at all the billions spent on stuff like the luas in cities. Rural Ireland can't even get a pothole fixed . You seem to have missed the 10's of billions spent on the Motorway network.
the_pen_turner wrote: » Where is the urban rural divide. Are all our towns included in the urban section. If not they should. I don't believe those stats. Us rural people pay less tax yes but receive a lot less Money back too. Look at all the billions spent on stuff like the luas in cities. Rural Ireland can't even get a pothole fixed .
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