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Conservatives are afraid.

Klinkhammer

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-turn-conservatives-liberal-john-bargh-psychology-2017-10/amp

So this guy, John Bargh, reckons conservatives who are temporarily relieved of their innate fear will temporarily turn in to liberals. Liberals who do the same experiment do not change their views.

I think there's a lot of sense in this. Using After Hours as a petri dish you have the most vitriol directed towards sections of society people fear the most.

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pemay

Liberals skew younger, conservatives skew older.

Therefore liberals are naïve, grow through maturity, and become conservative.

Younger conservatives are just way ahead of the game. And older liberals?.....oh boy, theres no hope for them!

Or

When you're younger you don't realise what you have going for you, you dismiss it out of hand, its all a great free for all that you take for granted. Then as you grow up and you start to feel the very real limitations of the world and how dangerous and unforgiving it can be.....you cop on, slowly but surely!

You can say its being afraid, in just the same way you can say youre "afraid" of losing your job, "afraid" of losing the money you've worked for, "afraid" of losing such a great environment (country, education, community etc) you've enjoyed and want your children to enjoy too. Its simply preservation.

But preservatives doesn't have the same ring as conservative!

Billy86

pemay wrote: »

Liberals skew younger, conservatives skew older.

Therefore liberals are naïve, grow through maturity, and become conservative.

Younger conservatives are just way ahead of the game. And older liberals?.....oh boy, theres no hope for them!

I reckon it's often less about people changing with age and more about the world around them doing so over time.

Hande hoche!

Manach wrote: »

Some of us are just spawned Conservative.

The Uruk Hai were just misunderstood.

Pepefrogok

southstar wrote: »

it would beat turning into that smug arse hole Katie Hopkins..

A beautiful lady for her age and medical problems she fought through.

pemay

Billy86 wrote: »

I reckon it's often less about people changing with age and more about the world around them doing so over time.

Yeah that makes sense.

I'm sure your comprehension of the world was the same at age 4, 9, 18, 23 etc

You didn't learn anything, for sure, its the world that changes, and not the person. Yep!!

biko

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Billy86

pemay wrote: »

Yeah that makes sense.

I'm sure your comprehension of the world was the same at age 4, 9, 18, 23 etc

You didn't learn anything, for sure, its the world that changes, and not the person. Yep!!

It does make sense, thanks! You seem to have drawn a conclusion that I said nobody changes, which wasn't what I was getting at - you have also made the error of only bringing it up to age 23, at which point people are still far more likely to be on the liberal side of things. On top of that, at four I had no political opinion, did I?

But given that when I was four it was illegal for out current Taoiseach to practice his sexuality, well let's run with that all the same...

When I was four in 1990; it was still legal to rape your wife in Ireland by the word of all, homosexuality was in many ways illegal, women weren't allowed in some of the local pubs around where I lived (which was in Dublin), divorce was not an option in Ireland, we were one of the most homogenous nations in all of Europe, and Ireland was both very religious and a poor nation.

Fast forward to when I was nine in 1995, raping your wife was now illegal, homosexual acts as best I know were all legalised/decriminalised, divorce had just been voted on in favour of (by the narrowest of margins), the country was looking much better on the economic front but had yet to really start booming, and we were in the midst of a torrent of church sex abuse scandals that were doing massive damage to their reputation and standing in society. We had seen a few Balkan migrants and were seeing numbers increase a bit across the board if I am correct, but there were just three black kids in my whole school - and that was more than in any of my friends other primary schools around the neighbourhood.

Now we fast forward to 2004 when I was 18 - religion had become barely an afterthought for most younger people at this time, we were in the middle of an economic boom we were sure would never end, homosexuality was far, far more normalised than it had been before but there were still issues with a small spate of attacks on gay people/gay bars around that time *though the pride parades, which didn't even exist in 1990 and were only made official in 1995, were not attracting thousands), and gay marriage wasn't even an afterthought nor was abortion. We had had a large influx of immigrants from the continent, Asia and Africa primarily but it was still very rare to see children of colour with Irish accents.

Jump ahead again to 2018 and we're back in a boom of sorts after an insanely huge struggle in the meantime, many Irish people my age no longer live in the country in no small part due to that (though a good few are returning lately), we have become the first country in the world to democratically vote in favour of gay marriage (if you could tell that to someone in the early 90s, and that it would pass in all but one district, and would only lose there by 2%...), pride weekend it treated more as a general festival of sorts that all ages and genders get involved in, and if I'm correct gay bars are even struggling to keep afloat in more recent times due to their patrons not feeling so uncomfortable in 'straight' establishments with each other. I walk back through the park from work near a few schools and quite regularly see groups of 4-5 of them without a single white child amongst them, with the kids being brown/black/Asian. A taxi man randomly told me a funny story about how he used to be able to go into any pub or club in the country and pick up almost any woman he wanted as the exotic black foreigner... whereas today he's barely able to get a taxi afterwards himself. And now we're a few months off facing a referendum on abortion.

So yeah, I think it's fair to say the world around us in Ireland has changed an awful, awful lot since I was four. And I would wager it has changed more than the average person's view who was 30 in 1990 and is 57/58 today would have. And by 2045 I'm quite sure it will have changed more than I will between now at 31 and then at the end of my 50s.

seamus

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I mean how much of a dumbass movie critic would you have to be to not get it?

I'm actually amazed that one critic saw the satire in Robocop - which was a quite subtle critique of the failings of the military-industrial complex, the privatisation of government functions and the direct links between corporate and organised crime - but managed to miss the satire in Starship Troopers, which was completely in-your-face.

Chrongen

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Everybody’s afraid of something. Liberals are afraid of climate change. And Russia. Conservatives used to be afraid of Russia but are now not afraid of either Russia or climate change. Lesbians are a fear point.

Conservatives are deathly afraid of the thought that somebody somewhere might be enjoying themselves.

Pepefrogok

Chrongen wrote: »

Conservatives are deathly afraid of the thought that somebody somewhere might be enjoying themselves.

I think I speak for all conservative people when I say we have no problem with the hot lesbians!

sbsquarepants

I would also like to offer the full support of the liberals.

See, we aren't so different after all:D

Cordell

And we, the normal people, support them as well!!!

sbsquarepants

I always view with instant suspicion, anyone who uses a phrase like us normal people:rolleyes:

I'm keeping my eye on you cordell!

Cordell

plenty of hot lesbians out there to keep your eyes on, don't waste them on me

McTigs

pemay wrote: »

Liberals skew younger, conservatives skew older.

Therefore liberals are naïve, grow through maturity, and become conservative.

Younger conservatives are just way ahead of the game. And older liberals?.....oh boy, theres no hope for them!

Or

When you're younger you don't realise what you have going for you, you dismiss it out of hand, its all a great free for all that you take for granted. Then as you grow up and you start to feel the very real limitations of the world and how dangerous and unforgiving it can be.....you cop on, slowly but surely!

You can say its being afraid, in just the same way you can say youre "afraid" of losing your job, "afraid" of losing the money you've worked for, "afraid" of losing such a great environment (country, education, community etc) you've enjoyed and want your children to enjoy too. Its simply preservation.

But preservatives doesn't have the same ring as conservative!

or it could be argued that conservatism seeps in as the mind slows down and is less willing to maintain a progressive outlook.

To suggest that conservatism is the result of wisdom acquired by passing years is utter nonsense. It's far more likely that conservatism in older age is the result of lazier thinking in a mindset that has allowed itself to be twarted by cynicism. It's acop out really.

To me there is nothing more brilliant than an old liberal.... they took the more difficult road of remaining open minded in spite of what life through at them.

Chrongen

Pepefrogok wrote: »

I think I speak for all conservative people when I say we have no problem with the hot lesbians!

So looks are all you care about? Your ideology crumbles when it clashes with something you find attractive? Shows how principled you are, punchy.

RobertKK

People of all views change opinions over time.
Some with conservative views become more liberal.
Some with liberal views become more conservative.

People are always involving in their views over time and they swing in all directions.

conorhal

Chrongen wrote: »

So looks are all you care about? Your ideology crumbles when it clashes with something you find attractive? Shows how principled you are, punchy.

And they like to characterize conservatives as 'bitter, humourless, spiteful, censorious and inflexible'.... truely the world has turned on it's head these days..

Pepefrogok

Chrongen wrote: »

So looks are all you care about?

I like my lesbians hot! What can I tell ya?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Chrongen wrote: »

So looks are all you care about?

I like my lesbians hot! What can I tell ya?

Well, if that's what you base your political views on...

Klinkhammer

Billy86 wrote: »

women weren't allowed in some of the local pubs around where I lived (which was in Dublin)

If we were going to conserve anything from our dark and troubled past it should have been the Bar and Lounge system.

sbsquarepants

Pepefrogok wrote: »

I like my lesbians hot! What can I tell ya?

Hot lesbians are my favourite kind of lesbian.

I know we're not supposed to discriminate these days on grounds of race, gender and so on. But hotness is still fair game for a bit of the auld favouritism - I prefer hot to not hot and I won't be moved on that!

Pepefrogok

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well, if that's what you base your political views on...

Wait, what? No no no, that is just my view on lesbians! You are confused.

Pepefrogok

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Hot lesbians are my favourite kind of lesbian.

I know we're not supposed to discriminate these days on grounds of race, gender and so on. But hotness is still fair game for a bit of the auld favouritism - I prefer hot to not hot and I won't be moved on that!

Won't be long until your challenged on it friend! The liberal set are already trying to guilt people who don't want relations of a pokey pokey nature with gentleladys who had done previously been a fellow!

JohnMc1

seenitall wrote: »

Conservatives are always afraid. Isn't that the whole point of being a conservative?

Who wants thing banned because they might hurt someone's feelings? Newsflash it ain't Conservatives.

Billy86

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Who wants thing banned because they might hurt someone's feelings? Newsflash it ain't Conservatives.

Mosques, non-Christian religions in public life, abortions, contraception, porn, grown men kneeling down... and that's just getting started.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

JohnMc1 wrote: »

seenitall wrote: »

Conservatives are always afraid. Isn't that the whole point of being a conservative?

Who wants thing banned because they might hurt someone's feelings? Newsflash it ain't Conservatives.

It's not liberals either. Snowflakes know no political leaning.

Case in point: when the abortion referendum happens, how many liberals do you think will vote for continuing the ban?

Klinkhammer

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Who wants thing banned because they might hurt someone's feelings? Newsflash it ain't Conservatives.

Like drugs, gays, foreigners... I think you will find it is conservatives.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Never surprises me when conservatives attack liberals, they rarely actually attack liberal policies (or only attack the broad extreme ones)...

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Won't be long until your challenged on it friend! The liberal set are already trying to guilt people who don't want relations of a pokey pokey nature with gentleladys who had done previously been a fellow!

Kinda making my point for me now...

Sand

If the thread demonstrates anything, its that conservative and liberal are meaningless as political terms. Particularly outside the US where the terms are used to refer to fairly specific groups.