end of the road wrote: » to be fair, i did state in my post "outside medical reasons" meaning i would be okay with abortion for medical reasons such as a threat to the mother's life, cases of FFA, where the baby cannot be caried viably or live to term, or cases where the mother is under threat of permanent injury or disability.
....... wrote: » You have already been shown the research that disproves your "belief" above. You refused to accept the Lancet article and refused to state what part of the research you had an issue with. So evidence has been provided to you to show that abortion bans do not reduce abortions.You have not shown a shred of evidence to show that removing an abortion ban will increase the number of abortions.
Delirium wrote: » But they aren't able to get an abortion due to the 8th. The same 8th you were just saying you're okay with as the current situation saves lives.
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Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » And never has or will, on any thread on any subject. I don't even feed it anymore because its a waste of time.
end of the road wrote: » mothers who's lives are under threat i believe can get abortions in ireland now, the law was changed in 2013. i believe that law can be extended for other extreme cases. i actually did make a statement on why i believe the research to not be reliable. youdidn't like the answer. there is nothing to "feed" and i'm not an "it" . i'm a human being. just because you can't argue against what i say that doesn't mean you should not debate with me.
J C wrote: » Abortion is a disaster for the unborn child ... but it is also very problematical for many of the women who have one as well. Here is the other side of abortion ... told by women who have had abortions.
uptherebels wrote: » As has been said to you many times, you are not here to debate, you are here by your own admission so that boards doesn't become a pro choice echo chamber. You refusing to hear what is being said doesn't mean people cant argue against you
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » And fir every video you post i can post multiple articlres and video clips of women who do not regret having abortions.
J C wrote: » You probably can ... but this doesn't eliminate the hurt that abortion causes women. Here is a woman who had three abortions ... and afterwards became a Born Again Christian ... and turned her life about.
end of the road wrote: » of course i'm here to debate, i wouldn't be here otherwise. if i was here to stop boards from becoming an abortionist echo-chamber, then i have lost that battle as one part of boards has already become such where pro-life views aren't allowed. so that would be a bad strategy. i have listened to what others have said however what they have to say is for the most part wrong and therefore i'm not going to support or agree with it.
J C wrote: Only customs know that. It is quite true that whatever happens the 8th, abortion of Irish unborn children will continue.
J C wrote: We're at over 1200 posts ... and both sides have presented 'logical' arguments for their positions. Here is an interesting Chrisitian song from the possible perspective of the unborn child herself ...
Nick Park wrote: Whether those who tick 'Christian' on a census are genuine Christians or not is a matter of opinion. It is hardly a verifiable fact - no more than your or my differing subjective opinions about when personhood begins can be verified or falsified objectively.
Nick Park wrote: Have you ever thought that you could accept the reality that some people have different opinions, rather than labelling them as liars because their opinions are different to yours?
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Thats all well and good but from what i can see the VAST majority of women who have had abortions have no regrets. Also, what did you mean by "turned her life around"?
end of the road wrote: when it comes to removing rights, absolutely. i have no problem being anti-democratic in exceptional circumstances, such as where rights will be removed or a decisian that will negatively effect the country is made.
J C wrote: » Abortion is a disaster for the unborn child ... but it is also very problematical for many of the women who have one as well. Here is the other side of abortion ... told by women who have had abortions. Two interesting quotes from the video :- 'Abortion is not good healthcare for women ... ever.' 'Many women felt they had no choice ... many women were forced into that decision'
WhiteRoses wrote: Reminds me of being in school when you didn’t know the answer to a question on the test, so just waffled on without really answering the question and hoped for the best.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Thats all well and good but from what i can see the VAST majority of women who have had abortions have no regrets.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Also, what did you mean by "turned her life around"?
uptherebels wrote: » you mean that part of boards where you are banned for refusing to provide any evidence for your claims? I've some good news for you. That wasn't because pro life views aren't allowed, just repeatedly making inaccurate claims with zero supporting sources. You should be happy with this,as it allows actual debate to occur instead of soapboxing etc.
david75 wrote: » Some of the comments here are exactly why undecided people will vote for repeal.
david75 wrote: » You’re losing the debate with this sort of oppressive and misleading approach.
J C wrote: » How do you know that?
end of the road wrote: again this is likely wishful thinking on your part. there is no evidence either side is losing the debate at this stage.
david75 wrote: » So now we’re not just weaponising Down syndrome kids and their families against their wishes, but we’re presuming to assume we know what women feel or what level of regret??
david75 wrote: » Thread title should really read ‘as a Christian can we really afford to allow women to make up their own minds?’
david75 wrote: » Some of the comments here are exactly why undecided people will vote for repeal. Some horrible backward thinking on show. It’s not the 1920s anymore folks. You’re losing the debate with this sort of oppressive and misleading approach.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Because from what i have seen the vast majority of women dont regret having an abortion! Please feel free to provide evidence to disprove my point.
J C wrote: » ... so it's just your opinion .... right.
Ninety-five percent of women who have had abortions do not regret the decision to terminate their pregnancies, according to a study published last week in the multidisciplinary academic journal PLOS ONE. The study was carried out by researchers from the Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health at UC San Francisco’s School of Medicine, and from the university’s division of biostatistics. Its conclusions come after a three-year research period in which nearly 670 women were regularly surveyed on the subject of their abortions. The sample group was diverse with regard to standard social metrics (race, education, and employment) and on the matter of what the study calls pregnancy and abortion circumstances. Financial considerations were given as the reasons for an abortion by 40 percent of women; 36 percent had decided it was “not the right time;” 26 percent of women found the decision very or somewhat easy; 53 percent found it very or somewhat difficult.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » In the same way that you and others post your opinions. Yourself and several other posters have for years posted your opinions without posting tangible evidence to back up your claims. As i said from the evidence i have seen so far the VAST majority of women who have had abortiins do not regret the decision that they chose to make.
