January wrote: » As early as possible and as late as necessary. Taking into account that the vast majority of abortions that take place after week 16 are for fetal abnormality or threat to the pregnant person's life I'm happy with there being no time limit, if the baby is viable then it will be born and given life support.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » I think it would have been better to condemn all use of people with DS for propaganda purposes in principle and then say so far all examples of this we've seen have been by the anti-repeal side. The way it is phrased leaves them open to the accusation of pretending to say "a plague on both your houses" but in reality exclusively targeting the pro-lifers.
swampgas wrote: » Eh ... isn't that democracy though? The government is answerable to the electorate. If you don't trust the government, what's your alternative? The Pope?
ForestFire wrote: » How do people feel about the referendum leaving the initial, and all future decisions on this, in the hands of our capable and future unknown governments? Do you think this could turn a lot of people to the other side, that were possible happy with relaxing the constitution (12 weeks for example) to basically voting for the unknown? People don't even trust the government with our water supply and now, on a basic moral question, they are asking the public to leave it up to them? This seems crazy to me, but maybe they expect to have enough support anyway?
eviltwin wrote: » It's in relation to their statement. He tweeted it on the 26th
Itssoeasy wrote: » Is it in relation to their statement recently or is it some other reason ? Thanks I'll go find those tweets.
Howard Tasteless Bank wrote: » It's a very carefully worded and diplomatic statement and fair play to them. But yes it's blatantly applicable to the pro-life campaign for the most part and not really to pro-repeal.
eviltwin wrote: » Yeah. I can't link it but he had a few tweets about it.
Itssoeasy wrote: » Down Syndrome Ireland's funding ?
eviltwin wrote: » And one of the pro life TDs, John D Walsh, wants their funding removed.
erica74 wrote: » That's interesting. There's 2 vans that drive around and park around Waterford with huge anti choice posters displaying figures on the amount of abortions resulting from babies diagnosed with down syndrome and I always wonder do the parents of the children pictured know what their child's image is being used for.
Howard Tasteless Bank wrote: » It's a very carefully worded and diplomatic statement and fair play to them. But yes it's blatantly applicable to the pro-life campaign for the most part and not really to pro-repeal. It's amazing how being a bit shouty and having annoying hair cuts is apparently enough to get people who support repeal or are on the fence to vote against it, but treating disabled children as something between a pawn and a circus animal is grand.
Itssoeasy wrote: » In the 8th Amendment committee Down Syndrome was used by the pro life senators and TD's(although some used it more than others) and used Denmark as an example.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Have there actually been instances of pro-repeal activists "using people with Down syndrome to present their views"? I know they're taking a principled stand that no-one should be using people with DS for propaganda purposes, but isn't it really just one side they are complaining about?
Howard Tasteless Bank wrote: » Statement from Down Syndrome Ireland as well.
Edward M wrote: » Not being pro choice, I think its clear to all though that DS can't be diagnosed, with certainty anyway, at or before 12 weeks. But if it is legislative law that applies after the referendum then certain conditions and illnesses could be legislated for by future govts, and indeed time limits increased as to when abortions can take place. I think once a procedure is put in place it is often then exploited by populist opinion rather than perhaps common sense. I'd like to know from some pro choice posters on here, what would be the maximum allowed time they would like to see implemented and if and for what reasons they would choose later abortions to be allowed, including incidents of any particular defect from what is classed as a "normal healthy" birth.
Edward M wrote: » I'd like to know from some pro choice posters on here, what would be the maximum allowed time they would like to see implemented and if and for what reasons they would choose later abortions to be allowed, including incidents of any particular defect from what is classed as a "normal healthy" birth.
Water John wrote: » I'll need to get out my fishing rod, with all the red herrings in this pond. Meanwhile a good clarification on abnormality diagnosis from real experts.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/obstetricians-and-gynaecologists-release-statement-to-inform-repeal-debate-1.3372248
This morning (January 23rd), an article appeared in the Irish Times highlighting the fact that a pro-life lobby group called Love Both is using an image of a little girl with Down syndrome on campaign pamphlets which are being distributed to households. This has come on top of a number of references appearing in the media over the past few days where campaigners on both sides of the debate are using people with Down syndrome to present their views. This is very disrespectful to both children and adults with Down syndrome and their families. It is also causing a lot of stress to parents. People with Down syndrome should not be used as an argument for either side of this debate. Down Syndrome Ireland believes that it is up to each individual to make their own decision about which way to vote in the upcoming referendum. We are respectfully asking both sides of the campaign debate, all political parties and any other interested groups to stop exploiting children and adults with Down syndrome to promote their campaign views. We would also like to remind campaigners on both sides of the debate that people with Down syndrome listen to the news and read media articles, including social media content. We ask that the tone of the debate is respectful towards all people with disabilities. As always, Down Syndrome Ireland will continue to support people with Down syndrome and their families throughout Ireland. If you require any support, please contact us on 01- 4266500.
De Bild wrote: » Right will always trump wrong. It's nothing to do with religion. It's a point of view shared by lovers of humanity.
De Bild wrote: » Killing unborn babies... Very progressive.
De Bild wrote: » Diddums?? Only a twat speaks like that.
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