Deleted User wrote: » I've read a lot about Scientology and Hubbard.. Depressing stuff. The only good thing to ever come out of Scientology is the comical whitewashing of his life story.http://www.lronhubbard.org I really recommend watching it, especially if you already know how pathetic he really was.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » or the whole keeping it members captive and starving them to death. The scientologists, a great bunch of lads.
(1) Spot who is attacking us. (2) Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using own professionals, not outside agencies. (3) Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. (4) Start feeding lurid, blood, sex, crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way. You can get "reasonable about it" and lose. Sure we break no laws. Sure we have nothing to hide. BUT attackers are simply an anti-Scientology propaganda agency so far as we are concerned. They have proven they want no facts and will only lie no matter what they discover. So BANISH all ideas that any fair hearing is intended and start our attack with their first breath. Never wait. Never talk about us—only them. Use their blood, sex, crime to get headlines. Don't use us. I speak from 15 years of experience in this. There has never yet been an attacker who was not reeking with crime. All we had to do was look for it and murder would come out. — Attacks on Scientology, "Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter", 25 February 1966
valoren wrote: » The modus operandi of this cult is to ensnare you under the guise of helping you with your personal problems. Any cult worth it's salt uses a powerful psychological manipulation. You go in to one of their audit sessions ostensibly to talk about your problems, you are encouraged to be truthful and to be as open as possible. While you think you are getting things off your chest to a trustworthy listener who can possibly help what is actually happening is that they are recording and noting everything you say and the more personal the information you give the more powerful the subsequent manipulation becomes. They effectively want you to tell them something they can use to blackmail you with should you join them and with which they can use to prevent you from leaving should you subsequently wish to. The old cliche in Hollywood for example being that the macho men like Cruise and Travolta are actually gay and they only stay invlolved with these vipers because they've been threatened with 'exposure' to that end which would realistically ruin their careers, which were built on a false image of being straight, action heros.
Boom_Bap wrote: » Nope, it hasn't been edit or deleted by anyone. You just used a bandy link
Irish Guitarist wrote: » I'd like to see the people that say "it's the same as any other religion" name just one major religion that wasn't founded on the belief in a higher power.
ScouseMouse wrote: » Over christmas, they had a funfair "for the community", I went in with the family and the kids met santa. The official photographer wanted to take my daughters photo and we refused. Got a few mince pies and stuff, bought a coffee, and then left. We were not approached by anyone so think they are starting off softly softly. I literally choked on my coffee though, they had christmas music playing. Chris DeBurgh's A spaceman came travelling came on, Holy crap, isn't that their destiny? A spaceship is coming to collect them. The wife thought I was having a funny turn. Fecking loopers. Come to think of it, they were up at fairyhouse market before christmas, all dressed in yellow, giving free massages, it was only when you read the blurb on the walls of the stall, you see "Our founder Ron L Hubbard".......
r3nu4l wrote: » Scientology isn't a major religion either but it uses the same bulls**t techniques as all religions: Get them young while their minds are a blank canvas and they are open to believing any rubbish fed to them. Prey on the vulnerable with the promise of a better life, if you just believe in their message... Sound mightily like all religions, major and minor, to me!!
Cienciano wrote: » Cults need to be gotten rid of straight away, unbelievable that people are actually defending them on here or think they aren't that bad
Religious liberty
Your are free to practise your religion and your freedom of conscience. The State guarantees not to endow or favour any religion and not to discriminate on the grounds of religion.
BattleCorp wrote: » I'm not a defender of Scientology or any other religion. To be perfectly honest, I think all religion is a pile of crap. That said, they have every bit as much a right to practice in Ireland as any other religion, whether recognised by the State or not. While not exactly the wording contained in the constitution, it pretty much says what I've said below.
Cienciano wrote: » unbelievable that people are actually defending them on here or think they aren't that bad
Pawwed Rig wrote: » Haven't seen too many people defend them. The most 'supportive' statement I have seen is that they are no better or worse than other 'religions'.
Doltanian wrote: » These lads give women their human rights and don't actively encourage killing Gays, Christians or Jews. There is bigger threats than a few Scientologists. This is called Religious Tolerance. However we should NOT be tolerating the elephant in the room who is guilty of preaching and legitimizing the aforementioned.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » what other religions imprison their members if they are considered to be performing poorly?
TomSweeney wrote: » Hmm .. I know one that KILLS ex members for leaving - seems a bit extreme doesn't it ??
ohnonotgmail wrote: » what religion is it that actively pursues ex-members as a matter of course?
Deleted User wrote: » Got "tested" at their centre as a student in Abbey st many moons ago. I knew even back then what they were about. I had time on my hands and was curious to know how they went about things. So yep, same thing, brought me upstairs and asked me to do their written "test". I put a false name and address at the start and completed the test - the wording of the test BTW is worded in such a way that no matter what way you answer it, they'll find fault with how you've responded- it's a bullsh1t test designed to rope you in to their money making racket. They started recommending some "courses" to me and I told them I had no money- I was a poor student. They lost interest in me and I walked out- they mustn't have covered objection handling in their sales course.
Deleted User wrote: » It's a cult that imprisons, tortures and even kills its own members. They aren't allowed to leave their ranch in America and are forced to work 16-hour days.
I think a special exception should be made and an outright ban should be implemented. It's an awful and dangerous thing to get sucked into.
Deleted User wrote: » Islam. It's called apostasy. But I'm guessing you knew that.
BattleCorp wrote: » Are they doing that here? Alert the authorities if you have evidence.
BattleCorp wrote: » Here's the thing, you can't make a special exception. It's illegal to do so. Our Constitution ensures that people are free to worship their chosen religion without persecution. People are free to sign up to whatever (gob****e) religion they want to. Until they fcuk up on a massive scale, then unfortunately there's sod all you can do.
BattleCorp wrote: » Are they doing that here? Alert the authorities if you have evidence. Here's the thing, you can't make a special exception. It's illegal to do so. Our Constitution ensures that people are free to worship their chosen religion without persecution. People are free to sign up to whatever (gob****e) religion they want to. Until they fcuk up on a massive scale, then unfortunately there's sod all you can do.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » nobody said they are doing it here. but they do do it. Is that not enough?scientology is not a religion.
Cantona's Collars wrote: » I haven't seen my local priest videoing me or following me around because I gave up going to mass.
Deleted User wrote: » It can claim to be a religion all it likes, but it's a cult. And one of the most dangerous ones at that.
BattleCorp wrote: » See the definition of a religion below. Like I said, I'm not in favour of religion as I don't believe in any of that crap but I'm not in favour of denying peoples right to worship whatever God/Space Reptile they want to worship. religion rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/noun noun: religionthe belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. "ideas about the relationship between science and religion" synonyms:faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology; Moresect, cult, religious group, faith community, church, denomination, body, following, persuasion, affiliation "the right to freedom of religion" a particular system of faith and worship. plural noun: religions "the world's great religions" a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
BattleCorp wrote: » Don't all religions start as a cult, and only move from a cult to being an acknowledged religion once they have enough members?
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