The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

De Bild wrote: »

Repeal means abortion. Abortion is murder.

No, abortion is not murder.
thats a no.
An n and an o

kylith wrote: »

Where do you think the foetus gets calcium from? It's taken from the mother's bones.

Technically, yes a foetus is a parasite; 'parasite' being defined as "an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." However, it's a parasite necessary for the continuation of the human species.

I dont' think I've ever seen a description of the effects of an abortion describing it as 'casual'. "The worst period and period pain of your life," yes; 'casual' no.

Your calcium.. take a supplement. Such a selfish attitude.

If you had an abortion due to incest, rape my sincerest sympathises. If it was because of failed contraception, it wasn't convenient, i offer none.

De Bild wrote: »

You can't provide evidence to the contrary!!

According to this boards thread repeal the 8th (with the Avonmore Milk logo sign stolen!) will pass 99% to 1%.

Can you not see you are a clique of posters having a love in (let's hope there are no pregnancies).

when you make a claim the onus is on you to back it up.
I see groups of posters discussing a divisive topic.
Like i said when you are in the minority you will be outnumbered in a public discussion/debate

kylith

De Bild wrote: »

Leached from your system lol!!

A baby is a parasite then?! Once the egg and sperm fuse and the genetic code is formed.

Where do you think the foetus gets calcium from? It's taken from the mother's bones.

Technically, yes a foetus is a parasite; 'parasite' being defined as "an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." However, it's a parasite necessary for the continuation of the human species.

De Bild wrote: »

No it will lead to casual abortions.

I dont' think I've ever seen a description of the effects of an abortion describing it as 'casual'. "The worst period and period pain of your life," yes; 'casual' no.

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh really?
Are you sure about that? Firstly I don't believe there is any wording on any referendum they may be held yet.
Secondly, if a referendum is held, it will be to change the constitution, that is the 8th amendment to article 40.
Nothing mentions abortion

Well i wonder why so many people are talking about the subject then and Micheal Martin came out in favour of abortion up to 12 weeks? What do you expect to happen? The 8th amendment guarantees the equal right to life of the mother and unborn. Of all the stupid comments.. What is getting rid of a foetus up to 12 weeks only abortion. Do you expect the wording to be about fluffy pink rabbits.

uptherebels wrote: »

you don't seem to understand what providing evidence entails

You can't provide evidence to the contrary!!

According to this boards thread repeal the 8th (with the Avonmore Milk logo sign stolen!) will pass 99% to 1%.

Can you not see you are a clique of posters having a love in (let's hope there are no pregnancies).

De Bild wrote: »

You do know the referendum is about abortion right?

Oh really?
Are you sure about that? Firstly I don't believe there is any wording on any referendum they may be held yet.
Secondly, if a referendum is held, it will be to change the constitution, that is the 8th amendment to article 40.
Nothing mentions abortion

De Bild wrote: »

Pro life marches dwarf the pro murder ones. Most people i speak to rurally and in urban areas are pro 8th. That good enough for you in Caark?

you don't seem to understand what providing evidence entails

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't believe I have ever seen a pro murder March? Where are these being held? Not surprised they have a small turn out
Most people I speak to are for repeal, so is that good enough for you?
What difference does that make?

Repeal means abortion. Abortion is murder.

baylah17 wrote: »

Repealing the 8th will save lives and protect women.
It is a dangerous and oppressive piece of law that has led to pain suffering fear and even death for women in this country.

No it will lead to casual abortions.

De Bild wrote: »

Pro life marches dwarf the pro murder ones. Most people i speak to rurally and in urban areas are pro 8th. That good enough for you in Caark?

I don't believe I have ever seen a pro murder March? Where are these being held? Not surprised they have a small turn out
Most people I speak to are for repeal, so is that good enough for you?
What difference does that make?

bubblypop wrote: »

You do know the 8th amendment isn't just about abortion right?

You do know the referendum is about abortion right?

Repealing the 8th will save lives and protect women.
It is a dangerous and oppressive piece of law that has led to pain suffering fear and even death for women in this country.

kylith wrote: »

Again, no answer as to why your opinion should override mine.

And it's not another individual. Not until it can function independently when disconnected from my systems. While it is totally dependent on nutrients from my bloodstream and calcium leached from my bones it is a part of my body and I get to decide if I want it there or not.

Leached from your system lol!!

A baby is a parasite then?! Once the egg and sperm fuse and the genetic code is formed.

uptherebels wrote: »

so thats a no:rolleyes:

Pro life marches dwarf the pro murder ones. Most people i speak to rurally and in urban areas are pro 8th. That good enough for you in Caark?

De Bild wrote: »

Just you wait til the vote!

so thats a no:rolleyes:

copeyhagen wrote: »

Having known someone that had to travel to the UK for an abortion for medical reasons and listening to the horror story of what they had to go through, in another country, away from the majority of their family, then I totally agree that the law needs to be changed in Ireland.

and that comment above about "And most of you who abort will never know true happiness having murdered a human. " sounds like a religious nut at their finest.

I'm lapsed Catholic but a Humanist! Yes there are tough stories. But the greater good will be done by saving the 8th. Stop calling me names.

kylith

De Bild wrote: »

Miscarriage is nature, abortion is murder.

It's not your body. It's the body of another individual inside your body. Not your body!

Again, no answer as to why your opinion should override mine.

And it's not another individual. Not until it can function independently when disconnected from my systems. While it is totally dependent on nutrients from my bloodstream and calcium leached from my bones it is a part of my body and I get to decide if I want it there or not.

uptherebels wrote: »

ya its big conspiracy , you have any evidence to back up your claim?

Just you wait til the vote!

copeyhagen

Having known someone that had to travel to the UK for an abortion for medical reasons and listening to the horror story of what they had to go through, in another country, away from the majority of their family, then I totally agree that the law needs to be changed in Ireland.

and that comment above about "And most of you who abort will never know true happiness having murdered a human. " sounds like a religious nut at their finest.

De Bild wrote: »

Your +100 means nothing. Your in an echo chamber. Wait til the vote.

My body, my body. It's not a ruptured knee ligament we're talking about, it's a HUMAN you can choose to give life to or kill.

And most of you who abort will never know true happiness having murdered a human.

You do know the 8th amendment isn't just about abortion right?

baylah17, bubblypop, Flying Fox, kylith, PopePalpatine, WhiteRoses

A selection of likes from one post.

There have been so many. I haven't received one but the real vote will be different.

What does that tell us? About 100 of the same old faces, same old posters, spouting their pro murderous verbal diarrohea.

YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE IRISH PEOPLE!!!

De Bild wrote: »

Band wagon jumper!

This forum does not represent what real Irish people on the ground think!

ya its big conspiracy , you have any evidence to back up your claim?

baylah17 wrote: »

Well said.
+100

Your +100 means nothing. Your in an echo chamber. Wait til the vote.

My body, my body. It's not a ruptured knee ligament we're talking about, it's a HUMAN you can choose to give life to or kill.

And most of you who abort will never know true happiness having murdered a human.

De Bild wrote: »

I'm busy today. I don't have time to answer you all back.

Not one agreeing with me here.

Yet the vote won't be like that. This is an echo chamber of like minds. Many of those against abortion are too cowardly to speak out but they'll vote to keep the 8th. Most pro life wouldn't be bothered arguing one against 20 posters as it's impossible.

From a humanistic point of view abortion is an abhorrence to mankind. I've said my piece.

when your in the minority position you will always be outnumbered in a debate. Plenty of anti choicers in here speak. It mightn't make sense most of the time but they do try.

De Bild wrote: »

copeyhagen wrote: »

yes, but their opinion is wrong because it contradicts his.

Band wagon jumper!

This forum does not represent what real Irish people on the ground think!

Actually it does
It matches all the opinion polls
All the indicators from all political parties

copeyhagen wrote: »

yes, but their opinion is wrong because it contradicts his.

Band wagon jumper!

This forum does not represent what real Irish people on the ground think!

bubblypop wrote: »

De Bild wrote: »

Miscarriage is nature, abortion is murder.

It's not your body. It's the body of another individual inside your body. Not your body!

It's not murder though, you do know the law right?
Oh, & it IS my body. None of your or anyone else's business

Well said.
+100

bubblypop wrote: »

It's not murder though, you do know the law right?
Oh, & it IS my body. None of your or anyone else's business

You can't do what you like with your body, you do know the law right? You can't use your body to strangle another person. You can't use your body to murder another life living in you.