The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.
KOR101 wrote: » This really belongs here......https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html
ED E wrote: » Seems like Naughten is trying to use a hammer with a screw on this one, primary legislation is not the place. COMREG have and are doing the legwork here and the legal battle will just add delays.
oscarBravo wrote: » I'm genuinely worried that everyone is laying the groundwork for a cop-out wireless solution, with a percentage of fibre in the easiest areas as a figleaf. Mark my words: if there's a wireless solution, it will go through the inevitable stages in short order: the first few early adopters will be delighted, then it will be accepted as "better than what we had" as it gets busier, then it will start to creak under the strain of a demand it can't possibly cope with, then it will quickly be overtaken by the orders of magnitude faster services that will be available over fibre, then we'll have a new digital divide and there will be pressure on a future government to subsidise some proper future-proof infrastructure. I'm blue in the face saying it: wireless is not infrastructure. Anyone who tells you wireless is infrastructure is either a snake oil salesman, or someone who has been gulled by one. There are no exceptions.
turbbo wrote: » COMREG are about as useless as a fart in the wind - so don't know why you'd have any faith in them? Also I would assume that Naughten is NOT operating solely on any of it - pretty sure the dept. would be calling the shots he's just a figurehead who'd rather be minister for something else, and he's been advised this is the best path forward. One thing as a bystander watching is there seems to be a lot of mistrust of Eir and it's not before time either.
9726_9726 wrote: » I honestly can't see this Bill standing up. The regulator has already set access pricing on a private company with SMP. If the Government tries to come in with primary legislation to circumvent this, to suit itself - based on a new requirement *it has*, it hasn't a hope of standing up.
9726_9726 wrote: » I honestly can't see this Bill standing up. The regulator has already set access pricing on a private company with SMP. If the Government tries to come in with primary legislation to circumvent this, to suit itself - based on a new requirement *it has*, it hasn't a hope of standing up. If they actually succeed (highly unlikely) in bringing this in and survive a (legitimate) legal challenge from Eir, SIRO will be able to sue them for moving the goalposts for the benefit of Enet, after SIRO had left the table. Actually, doing this at all is clearly for the benefit of Enet. All of this will be very, very, shaky under EU SAG. The smell of desperation is palpable. The whole concept of the state aiding the build-out of a network that *it doesn't own* is very very problematic. Two years ago, I said that this would end up worse than water charges. If they had been able to afford (yeah right) to build a green-field open access network, offered to everyone on an equal basis, owned by the state and not favouring anyone over anyone else, then that would have been far more straightforward. Ireland needs this broadband issue fixed for once and for all. Maybe they should have borrowed a huge amount to build it out.... I'd nearly call it at this stage.... time of death.... 2018.
BarryM wrote: » BTW, I continually wonder why the ESB, as a wholly owned national entity, owning a shared infrastructure, has not been required to participate in the NBP? The figleaf is, presumably, that it is "private"?
9726_9726 wrote: » I'd nearly call it at this stage.... time of death.... 2018.
KOR101 wrote: » Taken together with Varadkar's talk of struggles with the contract and Naughton saying the current route would never have been his choice, there is certainly an air of desperation about. Although I'm sure The Cush is right about pending Comreg changes. We need a miracle at this point!
dashoonage wrote: » Time of death.https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/national-broadband-plan-in-crisis-as-eir-poised-to-quit-process-36552103.html
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Not a lot Gov can do if eir's new owners decide to withdraw. All it does for me is to highlight yet again the folly of rolling out basic infrastructure owned by commercial entities. Regardless of cost the fibre roll out should have been in public ownership from the beginning. I doubt that is an option now though, with eir and Siro rolling out fibre to what they deem 'commercially viable' areas. If eir does pull out then I hope the gov move quickly to force eir/Siro to connect everybody in the areas they cover if requested, with no excuses allowed for not doing so .......... and move even quicker to do a public owned roll out for the rest of the country. ...... then I wake up and realise they have no intention of doing things right ....
turbbo wrote: » As somebody posted on here yesterday Siro/ESB should be doing it end of. Maybe that's exactly what will happen now.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » I had high hopes of the ESB doing it ..... about 5 years ago I think ...... but apparently the ESB are not or at least were not interested in doing so.
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » I wonder how much this threat of quitting has to do with the new legislation being proposed. Has the legislation come about because the Department knew eir were likely to pull out or are eir threatening to pull out because of the legislation.
garroff wrote: » Eir withdraws from government broadband scheme. The sound you hear is the merde hitting the fan.
turbbo wrote: » BarryM wrote: » BTW, I continually wonder why the ESB, as a wholly owned national entity, owning a shared infrastructure, has not been required to participate in the NBP? The figleaf is, presumably, that it is "private"? Often wondered the same thing - guessing it's cost or bottom line that is preventing the gov. from pushing them into it. But it would seem like the logical thing to do.
