Gaoth Laidir wrote: » I assume you're talking about dense? From what I have seen he has backed up every point with references, none of which, by the way, you have been able to discredit. I don't go for the one world conspiracy nonsense, so on that we agree, but looking at the science overall I believe that climate sensitivity is lower than widely accepted (by your 97% or otherwise), and definitely believe that the horror stories being portrayed by the likes of yourself, but especially Wanderer and his wheel of misfortune, are grossly exaggerated to the point of being hysterical.
gabeeg wrote: » No one bothered to discredit Denses links because no one read past the first headline or paragraph. Why? Because it's the same one world conspiracy nonsense you dismiss yourself.
Oneiric 3 wrote: » https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/11/climate-scientists-emit-30000-tonnes-c02
Gaoth Laidir wrote: » I assume you're talking about dense? From what I have seen he has backed up every point with references, none of which, by the way, you have been able to discredit.
I don't go for the one world conspiracy nonsense, so on that we agree, but looking at the science overall I believe that climate sensitivity is lower than widely accepted (by your 97% or otherwise), and definitely believe that the horror stories being portrayed by the likes of yourself, but especially Wanderer and his wheel of misfortune, are grossly exaggerated to the point of being hysterical.
Gaoth Laidir wrote: » If you don't bother to read all opinion on the topic then that says a lot.
dense wrote: » As some may be aware of, I've had little luck getting a relevant response from the Think or swim blogsite. I've also submitted my query to this weblog, but no reply, as yet.http://www.caraaugustenborg.com/latest-news/long-live-the-status-quo-behind-the-scenes-of-a-tv-climate-debate#comments I'll keep checking. The next port of call was the Citizens Assembly on Climate Change, today. I asked the same questions I've asked at the other two activist sites, this time as a research enquiry. "To whom it concerns, I am undertaking independent climate change research, initially intended for online publication, and potentially in print. Two quick questions for the Citizens Assembly on Climate Change. Has the Assembly ascertained the percentage of global climate change attributable to Ireland? And separately, has the Assembly ascertained what percentage of global climate change can be averted should the proposals formulated by the Citizens Assembly on Climate Change be implemented in Ireland? Thank you in advance" Maybe it'll be a case of third time lucky. I'll keep everyone posted on the response, or lack of one. If you have the time, and are concerned about your own "Carbon Footprint", why not ask these questions of other activists?
George Sunsnow wrote: » To be fair Pre industrial instruments were weak compared to today’s and few and far between Bring today’s to pre industrial times and prehistoric times and do a like for like comparison before panicking or before being hoodwinked by disingenuous hobby horse riding tax collectors Being sensible rather than panicking is the way forward here Panicking leads to perhaps rushed less thought out decisions and mistakes
George Sunsnow wrote: » To be fair Pre industrial instruments were weak compared to today’s and few and far between Bring today’s to pre industrial times and prehistoric times and do a like for like comparison before panicking or before being hoodwinked by disingenuous hobby horse riding tax collectors
George Sunsnow wrote: » To be fair Panicking leads to perhaps rushed less thought out decisions and mistakes
gabeeg wrote: » No one bothered to discredit Denses links because no one read past the first headline or paragraph.
dense wrote: » A serious analysis concluding that "no one read beyond the first paragraph or headline"???? OK. That's an impressive claim. Any chance of laying out the procedures enabling such a claim to be made?
gabeeg wrote: » I've enjoyed MT and his input here for almost a decade. He's not always right, but he's invariably a good read and a good insight. Funny too. I've hated seeing him use his vaunted position to express his own doubts. He's entitled to his opinion. In another context it could be a really illuminating input. But here, where he is a demigod, its just reckless.
gabeeg wrote: » You people that find yourselves second guessing scientists, can often barely string a few words together in a coherent manner. .
Akrasia wrote: » Is this supposed to be evidence that climate scientists don't believe their own research? What other point could you be making?
gabeeg wrote: » I quite literally don't have the time to read all the mulch coming out of global conspiracy theorists. Just like you
Akrasia wrote: » The greenhouses effect was discovered over 150 years ago, global warming has been quietly predicted since the 1960s. The only reason panic is even an option, is because sane analysis has been systematically avoided for 3 generations.
Gaoth Laidir wrote: » What if he agreed with you? Would it be the same story?
Gaoth Laidir wrote: » I'm intrigued at this statement. Why do you hate seeing him express his doubts? Why do you say reckless? Is it because he's a climatologist with vast experience and, as you say, a respected poster on this forum? Is the fact that he's one of your 3% of cats that says no? Would you just rather he kept his comments to himself because they're not what you want to hear and people may actually listen, reading beyond the first line? What if he agreed with you? Would it be the same story?
Oneiric 3 wrote: » I read another climate based (UK) forum, that is far more vigorous and bitchy than anything in this thread, but one overarching theme that I have observed from the pro Climate Change lobby is the one such as above, where any opposing thought leads to an attack on the poster themselves, their lack of 'coherence' and an often not so subtle assumption that they are 'ignorant' and less educated than they are. Needless to say, this says more about them than it does about they which they attack in such a manner. And such people are to be avoided.
Gaoth Laidir wrote: » Yep, just like you I've no time for conspiracy theories, however I do check everything that's posted to confirm whether it is "mulch" or not. If you don't look at it, how can you state it's mulch? You can't have an opinion on something you haven't read. That makes you a conspirator just like them.
Oneiric 3 wrote: » No, we really shouldn't. If I want some quality political advice and analysis, the last people I would listen to are scientists. They can shove their 'dooms day' prediction up their backside, which is where they pulled it from in the first place.
gabeeg wrote: » Well that's mighty big of you to read and enjoy things that are completely incoherent. Keep up the good work
Irishsneachta wrote: » The last people you would listen to are Scientists? Probably the most pig ignorant statement I've read. Yeah sure listen to some old fella in the pub instead. That fella is probably you lol
Oneiric 3 wrote: » You just called a previous post 'thick'. Now it's my turn...
Oneiric 3 wrote: » Not big of me at all. I understood totally what GS was saying. I'll leave the pedantics of how he said it to ostentatious wannabes like yourself.
Irishsneachta wrote: » Yeah there's quite a gathering of you on this thread. You're probably the thickest of them all tho and that's saying something lol. Mr Scientists are last people I'd listen too. Thick af lol
