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What are your views on contraception?

Cabaal

I'm not looking for this to turn into any sort of abortion thread, I'm more curious about various christian groups and their views on contraception. This is related to the topic of the 8th but I don't want to see it derailed.

So, what christian religion are you and what are your views on contraception?
Do you believe the use of condoms, female condoms etc should be acceptable?, what are your views on the morning after pill?

If you are against contraception then what are your solutions to stop unplanned pregnancy's?
Also what are your views in relation to a married couple where one of the partners has aids, do you still think condom use in this situation is wrong?

Do you think that your religion (in cases of Catholics...the Vatican for example) should change with the needs and times and change its views on contraception?

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The J Stands for Jay

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

God killed Onan because he spilled the seed. Of course sexual pleasure without the intention of creating a pregnancy isn't bad. The sin is in the spilling of the seed.

Wasn't he killed because he disobeyed an order from God to impregnate his brother's wife? When I read it, I didn't take the message to be "No ****", but not to disobey the word of God.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

In a recent survey 60% of the working women would rather be at home rearing their children than be slaving on a conveyor belt.

Mrs OBumble

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Unfortunately most parents have to work to pay scandalous mortgages. The children are farmed out to creches during the day. The proper persons to raise children are the parents, not some stranger. But in order to feed the great god mammon, mothers as well as fathers have to work. This is not the plan that God designed.

Really? It's certainly the plan outlined in Proberbs 31, viz:

The perfect wife ....
She wakes up early in the morning,
cooks food for her family, and gives the servants their share.
16 She looks at land and buys it.
She uses the money she has earned and plants a vineyard.
17 She works very hard.
She is strong and able to do all her work.
18 She works late into the night
to make sure her business earns a profit.

frag420

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Soon to be 6

You have only got the ride 6 times? Am I understanding you correctly?

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Yes, we take the best of the past, and align it with the best of the present, and use both to help promote the Kingdom of God.

Malayalam

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

This was before Jesus Christ came, and rewrote all of history, past, present, and future. He shows us how to live, to have life, and have it more abundantly.

And yet we still utilise the ancient discoveries made regarding domestication of animals, grains, agriculture, water systems, numeracy, alphabets, astronomy, ore smelting, indeed everything we live with and as a result of now is due to the historical evolution of knowledge by our forefathers and mothers. Jesus did not rewrite all of history as far as I can see, just certain cherry-picked parts. But no, that it wrong. I do not blame Jesus - it is those politicians and power-mongerers who rewrote his teachings through the ages for political expediency which has resulted in silly anomalies such as every single sperm having to be deposited in the vagina.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

This was before Jesus Christ came, and rewrote all of history, past, present, and future. He shows us how to live, to have life, and have it more abundantly.

Malayalam

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

There were good and bad things about the past. Why don't we look to the future, and the infinite possibilities that it promises. Let us work together in an environment of love and friendship, as God wishes us to live.

I wonder if the Catholic objection to scientific methods of birth control comes from some mistaken notion that they are modern. Even before the Gospels were written, and perhaps even the Bible, the people of the earth had knowledge of and used many natural substances to prevent conception. It was a normal, reasoned part of life. Examples include linen wrappings in the ancient Egyptian world, the use of animal bladders and intestines over the penis in ancient Greece and Rome, actual caps made of metal placed over the glans head in even more ancient times, reservation of ejaculation in various very old alchemical traditions, the use of herbs by females such as Rue, Pennyroyal and Silphium, which was so popular in pre-Christian Rome that the plant became extinct. Vaginal inserts made of various materials (eg wool/cotton) and covered in substances such as honey, olive oil, butter, salt or acacia gum have also been used since very olden days. Birth control seems to have been part and parcel of reasoned human living on the planet since forever, and it was only in times of great ignorance and darkness that humans forgot their herbal lore, or had it beaten out of them. I can understand that a tribe wanting to multiply (Biblical) might place rules against contraception in their religious texts, but it is not based on rational and evolved human practice, science and lore. It is a political expedience.

boardsuser1

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

There were good and bad things about the past. Why don't we look to the future, and the infinite possibilities that it promises. Let us work together in an environment of love and friendship, as God wishes us to live.

Amen to that.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

There were good and bad things about the past. Why don't we look to the future, and the infinite possibilities that it promises. Let us work together in an environment of love and friendship, as God wishes us to live.

Cabaal

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Unfortunately most parents have to work to pay scandalous mortgages. The children are farmed out to creches during the day. The proper persons to raise children are the parents, not some stranger. But in order to feed the great god mammon, mothers as well as fathers have to work. This is not the plan that God designed.

Great so lets go back to the idealistic 1950's before creches.
Men worked long hours, often they traveled to the UK to work since work didn't exist in Ireland so they woudn't see their families for months at a time.

Women couldn't legally work once married and as such most families were piss poor. My family owned a shop and my dad regularly tells stories of women coming into the shop to buy a few slices of cheese and an egg, it wasn't out of choice...it was all they could afford!

I remember once he told the story about how a women started putting money a side in our shop in August for a christmas cake, nothing else...just a christmas cake.

Care to go back further, perhaps the 1850's? They were crackin times after all.

We can look at all the other times where people lived in even worse poverty or when their leaders, king or even the pope sent the husband or son off to war so the wife was then left on her own with children when he was killed.

Should we go back to the good old times before creches, after all that was gods plan

Harika

eviltwin wrote: »

What about anal sex?

Allowed as shown in this NSFW! comedian youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjjh9PML8tE and unfortunately not based on fiction.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Unfortunately most parents have to work to pay scandalous mortgages. The children are farmed out to creches during the day. The proper persons to raise children are the parents, not some stranger. But in order to feed the great god mammon, mothers as well as fathers have to work. This is not the plan that God designed.

Cabaal

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

So what Michael Buerk, Bob Geldof and Midge Ure did was for a laugh yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYOj_6OYuJc

To be fair, that was a famine caused by the corrupt government. Most famine's are man made

Here's some interesting listening on the subject https://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/famines.htm

In short, Live Aid just made some people in the West feel better and Doctors without Borders pleaded with Bob not go give the money to the corrupt government but he didn't care

sparksfly

endacl wrote: »

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

I'm just about old enough to remember the counter in the old Virgin Megastore (I passed it on the way to the video games!) and all of the fuss about that - a bit daft in retrospect.

Did you hear about the fella who came out of the Virgin Megastore with a Daniel O'Donnell album because he was too embarrassed to ask for condoms?

No but I came out of it with condoms because I was too embarrassed to ask for a Daniel O'Donnell album.

eviltwin

It doesn't matter what resources we have, society has changed. People no longer want to be tied down to large families. People want to work, they want to have a family they can manage, or none at all. People want to enjoy life rather than work themselves into an early grave. I could have had more kids, I stuck with two because I love having a good quality of life and I love being able to provide my children with a good quality of life. I love being able to spend time with my husband which we couldn't do with lots of kids. Contraception has been the main reason for that. Long may it continue.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Cabaal wrote:

Ok, so right now there's approx 7 billion people in the world, several refers to more then three so you are saying the world can produce enough food for AT LEAST 21 billion people no problem?

Cabaal wrote:

I can only repeat the words of the previous poster, your ignorance in relation to this is astounding.

Yes. It's a matter of correct allocation of resources. The wealthiest are miserable graspers, and refuse to share.
You do know that a small area of your back garden could be cultivated to grow more than ample vegetables to feed your family, all spray and pesticide free, the main cause of various cancers.

boardsuser1

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

There is enough food in the world to feed its population several times over.

So what Michael Buerk, Bob Geldof and Midge Ure did was for a laugh yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYOj_6OYuJc

Cabaal

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

There is enough food in the world to feed its population several times over.

Several times over?

Ok, so right now there's approx 7 billion people in the world, several refers to more then three so you are saying the world can produce enough food for AT LEAST 21 billion people no problem?

I can only repeat the words of the previous poster, your ignorance in relation to this is astounding.

SusieBlue

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

There is enough food in the world to feed its population several times over.

Your ignorance is astounding.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

There is enough food in the world to feed its population several times over.

knipex

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

I will put it like this. You must be free of sin to enter the Kingdom of God. In order to do this Christ instituted the sacrament of penance. You don't have to detail every aspect of your illicit sexual activity. Just tell the Lord you are sorry for all the selfish things you did during sex.

Ahh but I don't believe in or want to enter your "kingdom of God" My god has his own kingdom full of beer volcanoes and stripper factories..

All bow to his noodley goodness.

Arrrrrrrrghhhh

Back to the OP

My partner and \ or I used condoms, the pill but I got the snip so now no problem.

Never felt a need to ask forgiveness of anyone..

Have two lovely kids which we had when we wanted..

Mister Vain

Can God make a condom so big that not even he can use it?

Farmer Bob

Doltanian wrote: »

IThe birth control pill and abortion should both be banned and a huge host of tax and welfare measures be introduced to promote more births including a tax on childless couples who choose not to have children outside of valid medical reasons. Controversial yes but it’s just common sense whatever the godless liberals and their disgusting dogma of political correctness might say.

Where do you propose to house these people? You may not have heard, but there's a bit of a housing problem in this country as it stands... Common sense? I don't think so.

boardsuser1

khaldrogo wrote: »

How many kids do you have

Soon to be 6

Delirium

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

No, it's a bunch of baloney from what I can only guess is a 13 year old masturbating furiously at his keyboard.
Or he's a genuine flat-earther, i.e. someone who purposly presents with an entirely untenable and bogus viewpoint, which he holds against all arguments, evidence, sense or reason even against his own better knowledge for the sole reason of causing distress and annyance in other posters.
There was another word for that, but it escapes me right now, kinda sounds like roll...

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khaldrogo wrote: »

What happens when there is not enough food to feed all the extra people?

Soylent green obviously....Next!

khaldrogo

Doltanian wrote:

The birth control pill and abortion should both be banned and a huge host of tax and welfare measures be introduced to promote more births including a tax on childless couples who choose not to have children outside of valid medical reasons. Controversial yes but itâ€™s just common sense whatever the godless liberals and their disgusting dogma of political correctness might say.

What happens when there is not enough food to feed all the extra people?

dr.fuzzenstein

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Who forbids all these things? Is it written somewhere what is forbidden and what is not?

No, it's a bunch of baloney from what I can only guess is a 13 year old masturbating furiously at his keyboard.
Or he's a genuine flat-earther, i.e. someone who purposly presents with an entirely untenable and bogus viewpoint, which he holds against all arguments, evidence, sense or reason even against his own better knowledge for the sole reason of causing distress and annyance in other posters.
There was another word for that, but it escapes me right now, kinda sounds like roll...

khaldrogo

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

100% against it and always will be.

How many kids do you have