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What are your views on contraception?

Cabaal

I'm not looking for this to turn into any sort of abortion thread, I'm more curious about various christian groups and their views on contraception. This is related to the topic of the 8th but I don't want to see it derailed.

So, what christian religion are you and what are your views on contraception?
Do you believe the use of condoms, female condoms etc should be acceptable?, what are your views on the morning after pill?

If you are against contraception then what are your solutions to stop unplanned pregnancy's?
Also what are your views in relation to a married couple where one of the partners has aids, do you still think condom use in this situation is wrong?

Do you think that your religion (in cases of Catholics...the Vatican for example) should change with the needs and times and change its views on contraception?

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Nekarsulm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Who forbids all these things? Is it written somewhere what is forbidden and what is not?

It's all here.

http://www.jewfaq.org/m/sex.htm

And for more reading, https://torah.org/learning/halacha-overview-chapter27/

One eyed Jack

khaldrogo wrote: »

Is this because, as we all know, the clergy like them young?

You don't combat ignorance with ignorance, and I'd rather not be included in that narrative, or any narrative that makes such stupidly insidious, broad, sweeping accusatory generalisations about any section of society.

Annasopra

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Absolutely forbidden. Remember you are human, not animal. Respect yourself as a son or daughter of God, which you are, and rise above the morals of the animal.

Who forbids all these things? Is it written somewhere what is forbidden and what is not?

khaldrogo

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

I tell you this. Unless you become as a little child, you shall not enter the Kingdom of God. If you do not enter the Kingdom of God, you go to the place of endless darkness.

Is this because, as we all know, the clergy like them young?

One eyed Jack

Cabaal wrote: »

You've not answered my question,
What if the man or women has aids and their partner doesn't, is condom use in such a situation ok or would you prefer that the person is given a death sentence?

Might be worth a read -

Abstract

For decades, the Roman Catholic Church opposed use of condoms to prevent spread of sexually transmitted infections (STI) because of their contraceptive effect. In 2009, Pope Benedict XVI said that widespread use of condoms could worsen the situation, a position rejected as ‘unscientific’. Recently, however the Pontiff stated that because the Church considers acts of prostitution and homosexuality to be gravely immoral and disordered, in such specific cases use of a condom might become an initial step in the direction of a moralization leading to an assumption of responsibility and a new awareness of the meaning of sexuality. In doing so, he reaffirmed his belief that condoms cannot solve the problem of STI spread, stressing the Church’s position that modern societies no longer see sexuality as an ‘expression of love, but only as a sort of drug that people administer to themselves’. The new Papal position has been widely applauded, but made conservative Catholics unhappy. A dialogue with the Church now seems possible: Does concentrating on condoms hinder the effectiveness of other strategies? What are the respective roles of condoms and other approaches to prevent infection spread? Does a special situation exist in Africa requiring specific and focused interventions?

Condoms, HIV and the Roman Catholic Church

khaldrogo

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

I will put it like this. You must be free of sin to enter the Kingdom of God. In order to do this Christ instituted the sacrament of penance. You don't have to detail every aspect of your illicit sexual activity. Just tell the Lord you are sorry for all the selfish things you did during sex.

Or you can do everything you want your whole life and then confess all on your deathbed and do your 5 hail Marys and 7 our fathers

khaldrogo

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

Yes, what you say is true. The problem with oral sex is, besides being a debasement of one of the partners, is that it results in the spillage of the sacred sperm.

So, what if the man has no sperm in his seamen?

khaldrogo

eviltwin wrote:

Well most foreplay is sexual activity so that doesn't really explain it.

eviltwin wrote:

What about sex toys? Role playing? Using porn?

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

Absolutely forbidden. Remember you are human, not animal. Respect yourself as a son or daughter of God, which you are, and rise above the morals of the animal.

Which animals use porn? Or sex toys?

khaldrogo

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

You have a very valid point there. We are called to show restraint, to bring our base animal instincts into check, and behave in sexual matters as befits sons and daughters of God.

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

We are entitled to sexual activity which befits us as God's children. This means that the full ejaculation of the male must be deposited in the female. This naturally bans all sexual activity which results in the spillage of the ejaculation.

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

Absolutely forbidden. This is the crime which cries out to the high heavens for Vengence.

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote:

Remember, your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Seriously?

RhubarbCrumble

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

If she wants the gift of a child, both husband and wife should pray to God the Father for it as they make intercourse. It will happen. God has promised it.

Tell that to my friend and her husband who've been trying for a baby for over two years now with no success.

One eyed Jack

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm not looking for this to turn into any sort of abortion thread, I'm more curious about various christian groups and their views on contraception. This is related to the topic of the 8th but I don't want to see it derailed.

So, what christian religion are you and what are your views on contraception?
Do you believe the use of condoms, female condoms etc should be acceptable?, what are your views on the morning after pill?

I'm Catholic myself, and I would always encourage people to use protection at least. Some people are much less open to the idea of using contraception but I would always try and encourage them to use some form of contraceptive at least. It's a tough one because the two ideas - protection, and contraception, are two different things.

Personally, not a fan of the morning after pill, and would rather women were able to avoid it than have to take it, because apparently it can take a severe toll on a woman, definitely not an experience they'd want repeating.

Do you think that your religion (in cases of Catholics...the Vatican for example) should change with the needs and times and change its views on contraception?

Nah, tis grand.

RhubarbCrumble

Username here wrote: »

Oweny, I put my finger in my girlfriend's bum while having vagina intercourse (while wearing a condom) after we both performed oral sex on each other; am I in trouble?

Now that's what I call multitasking!

Mutant z

It helps to prevent contacting STI and unwanted pregnancies so its very essential to many people.

dr.fuzzenstein

Username here wrote: »

Oweny, I put my finger in my girlfriend's bum while having vagina intercourse (while wearing a condom) after we both performed oral sex on each other; am I in trouble?

Only if you prepared the dinner afterwards without washing your hands...

Cabaal

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Correct. Just because she is not open to new life does not prevent her from an enjoyable sex life. The whole thing revolves around the sacredness of the sperm.

You've not answered my question,
What if the man or women has aids and their partner doesn't, is condom use in such a situation ok or would you prefer that the person is given a death sentence?

Username here

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

You are a child of God. Do you know what this means? You are to show restraint in sexual matters, just as with food, or drink. You are to be moderate in all your actions, and not give in to base desires.

Oweny, I put my finger in my girlfriend's bum while having vagina intercourse (while wearing a condom) after we both performed oral sex on each other; am I in trouble?

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Mrs OBumble wrote:

Now, putting sacred sperm into an a woman who simply does not have any eggs, or anywhere for a fertilised egg to mature, is 100% not open to new life.

Correct. Just because she is not open to new life does not prevent her from an enjoyable sex life. The whole thing revolves around the sacredness of the sperm.

Mrs OBumble

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Of course she is entitled to have sexual relations with her husband.

Oweny, this just doesn't make sense.

In one post you have said that EVERY sexual act must be open to new life. In another, you have said that the seed (meaning sperm) is sacred.

Now, putting sacred sperm into an a woman who simply does not have any eggs, or anywhere for a fertilised egg to mature, is 100% not open to new life.

Based on your reasoning, I do not see how it can possibly be right for such a couple to have sexual intercourse. Unless of course marriage is some kind of special relationship which removes the need for every sexual act to be open to new life. And if that's the case, then why isn't contraception OK for married couples?

dr.fuzzenstein

Some of you will get such a surprise:

But seriously.
Why would anyone say "I alone have the moral authority over right and wrong! I have this authority because my God is almighty and the only true God in existence! I know, because he told me so and I should totally tell you what to do! Just trust me on this one, only I can hear Him, if you can't it's because you're not worthy, so just listen to me and do what I say and everything will be grand!"
To which I reply "who are you, you jumped up little fart to tell me what is right and wrong and what I should or shouldn't do! You can take your authority and stick it where the sun doesn't shine or I might just insert it there myself"

Religion to me is a sad indictment that homo sapiens is a hopeless herd animal that cannot think on it's onw and needs someone in charge to make the decisions, because most don't have the balls, the brains and the imagination to make their own decisions.
It's also the reasons we need politicians to run our affairs for us.
Slowly we emerge into the light, or so I hoped until recently, but the world right now does not give grounds for hope.
So all I can say to people is, make up your own mind! Don't just blindly follow orders because someone claims authority. That person is no better or smarter than you in most cases.
This is doubly important with religion.

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SusieBlue

kg703 wrote: »

Giggled my way through this thread til I got to this.

It's actual scary that there are people who genuinely believe this

There should be a tax on people like you procreating

Sure it's common sense we'll all just have tons of kids and sleep on the street cause we have nowhere to live but sure it's grand cause my granny lived off a loaf a bread a week with 18 kids and did nobody any harm

Stupid, selfish, lazy, women!
Why would any female not aspire to be a baby making machine? Who needs a career, an education, a social life, or any bit of financial stability? They should just get up and get on with it. Society these days, eh. :rolleyes:

kg703

Doltanian wrote: »

I am 100% against it for societal reasons, women are becoming too lazy and too selfish to have children and this will cause the indigenous Irish to die out in our own country when women are not having enough children.

The birth control pill and abortion should both be banned and a huge host of tax and welfare measures be introduced to promote more births including a tax on childless couples who choose not to have children outside of valid medical reasons. Controversial yes but it’s just common sense whatever the godless liberals and their disgusting dogma of political correctness might say.

Giggled my way through this thread til I got to this.

It's actually scary that there are people who genuinely believe this

There should be a tax on people like you procreating

Sure it's common sense we'll all just have tons of kids and sleep on the street cause we have nowhere to live but sure it's grand cause my granny lived off a loaf a bread a week with 18 kids and did nobody any harm

part time punk

FishOnABike wrote: »

Obligatory reference -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjTtZG_pvXYAhWjJcAKHbijBfsQ3ywIKzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfUspLVStPbk&usg=AOvVaw3yixW2LLUN1XCOuzryrGhE

Was just about to post this too. Haven't read the entire thread, but most of it, and can't quite believe that we may have got this far without it being mentioned

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate

FishOnABike

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

It's selfish for one partner.

Is mutual oral sex ok then ? A significant element of sex is the reciprocal pleasure in pleasing one's partner. If both partners enjoy oral sex (giving or receiving at differnt times, or the same time) how is it selfish ?

boardsuser1

amcalester wrote: »

Based on some of your posts on here you of all people should keep it wrapped.

Never :pac:

FishOnABike

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Yes, what you say is true. The problem with oral sex is, besides being a debasement of one of the partners, is that it results in the spillage of the sacred sperm.

Obligatory reference -

amcalester

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

100% against it and always will be.

Based on some of your posts on here you of all people should keep it wrapped.

Mancomb Seepgood

Oweny,I can't help but feel that you're either not being entirely serious,or you saw Monty Python's Meaning of Life and took it as a literal description of Catholic doctrine.

I don't defend the official RC stance on contraception,far from it,but you're going way beyond that here.

Peatys

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Foreplay is of course allowed However, sexual activity ie oral sex is a debasement of proper sexual activity.

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Cabaal

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Of course she is entitled to have sexual relations with her husband.

What if the husband has aids and the wife does not, do you believe its OK for condom use there or would you rather the woman is effectively served a death sentence?