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Pubs to open on Good Friday

El Weirdo

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murpho999

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

I presume you mean the Catholic Church when you say RCC. The 'R' was somewhat of an additive post reformation that suited some. And again it was not dictated by the Church it was Irish law since 1927 that had it's influence in the Church.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought it was the Roscommon County Council that was being held responsible for the Good Friday alcohol ban.

Mr.H

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Source?

Correlation isn’t causation. England’s demographics are changing and that could be the reason, if true. Ireland liberalised in 2000 and not much changed.

It is not changing any differently to how ours is.

This is a quote from 2015 (10 years after the bill was passed)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shopping-and-consumer-news/11617185/24-hour-drinking-was-best-thing-Labour-ever-did-says-report.html

"Alcohol consumption per person has fallen by 17 per cent since pubs and clubs were allowed to serve through the night, it said - the largest decline since the Thirties. Fewer under-45s are binge drinking and violent crime is down 40 per cent."

Now I am not saying it will solve everything or anything in fact. But society more independence, allows them to mature.

whisky_galore

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Of course it wasn't dictated by them, we didn't live in a theocracy but in a democracy with a hell of a lot of theocratic features. John Charles McQuaid said jump, and successive taoisigh said how high.

Back in the days of McQuaid, most people wouldn't have had a problem with that. An anti clerical political candidate wouldn't have had a hope of being elected, such was the way of things.

The Good Friday ban up until recently was a non-issue, a mild inconvenience for people, not a world-ending 'Jaysus lads the tourist industry is going to be fcuked over this single issue!!' Of course this is a very easy fix for govt; bread booze and circuses.

Hotblack Desiato

weldoninhio wrote: »

Such as early closing times which force people to get as much alcohol into themselves as possible before being sent home??

The six o'clock swill

Mr.H

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Nothing to do with the earlier legislation in 1927.

If the TD's at the time of passing the law were in any way influenced by the RCC then yes the law itself was influenced.

Since they clearly were influenced, the legislation is definitely the work of the church.

Irish law and society was ruled by the church up until the 80's. They controlled schools religion policing government and did what ever they wanted to keep us under their thumb.

"The elasticity of the Dáil in that regard became obvious in 1929 when special legislation provided for extended Sunday opening hours to mark the centenary of Catholic Emancipation."
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/good-friday-lifting-the-alcohol-ban-1.3047535

Hotblack Desiato

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Nothing to do with the earlier legislation in 1927.

The near-theocracy didn't start with McQuaid, he's just a well-documented example of it who is still within the living memory of some (not me, thankfully.)

The_Valeyard

Mr.H wrote: »

If the TD's at the time of passing the law were in any way influenced by the RCC then yes the law itself was influenced.

Since they clearly were influenced, the legislation is definitely the work of the church.

Irish law and society was ruled by the church up until the 80's. They controlled schools religion policing government and did what ever they wanted to keep us under their thumb.

"The elasticity of the Dáil in that regard became obvious in 1929 when special legislation provided for extended Sunday opening hours to mark the centenary of Catholic Emancipation."
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/good-friday-lifting-the-alcohol-ban-1.3047535

Thought i came in from the Church of Ireland and not the RCC

Mr.H

whisky_galore wrote: »

Good Friday ban up until recently was a non-issue, a mild inconvenience for people, not a world-ending 'Jaysus lads the tourist industry is going to be fcuked over this single issue!!' Of course this is a very easy fix for govt; bread booze and circuses.

While it was not world ending, why should we have to put up with it?

Why should I have to adhere to a law that was very very clearly made to stop me drinking on a religious day? I am not religious so why should I have to conform?

Dont drink if you dont want to but for me it is just another Friday and if I go to the pub it will be only because I am off the next day and because it is my Birthday weekend this year. If I so happen to be working, I wont be going out.

Why should any religion dictate when I can and cant go out.

@ off for all that it has done to us.

Mr.H

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Thought i came in from the Church of Ireland and not the RCC

In Ireland most of us have been raised Roman Catholics. We have been thought in Roman Catholic schools. Treated in Roman Catholic hospitals and dictated to by the Roman Catholic church.

The Church of Ireland is a protestant religion.

whisky_galore

Mr.H wrote: »

While it was not world ending, why should we have to put up with it?

Why should I have to adhere to a law that was very very clearly made to stop me drinking on a religious day? I am not religious so why should I have to conform?

Dont drink if you dont want to but for me it is just another Friday and if I go to the pub it will be only because I am off the next day and because it is my Birthday weekend this year. If I so happen to be working, I wont be going out.

Why should any religion dictate when I can and cant go out.

@ off for all that it has done to us.

So you would have no issue with pubs opening on Xmas Day?

Birdie Num Num

murpho999 wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification, I thought it was the Roscommon County Council that was being held responsible for the Good Friday alcohol ban.

Along with 'R' Revenue and the law they are more relevant to licensing the sale of alcohol than the Catholic Church.

Mr.H

whisky_galore wrote: »

So you would have no issue with pubs opening on Xmas Day?

Absolutely none.

If I own a bar I should be able to open if I want to. I don think that employers should be fair on staff and ask people if they want to work rather than force (on Christmas day anyway) but I see no reason why any business should be forced to shut.

I know shops that are open on Christmas day. Call Centers. Emergency services work. Taxi drivers work. Why cant anyone else?

We live in a country that has many cultures living in it. Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Yet they are forced to take the day off?

daheff

one question

Now that we can buy drink on good friday, does it mean we dont have to eat fish too (cos i fcking hate fish)??

murpho999

whisky_galore wrote: »

So you would have no issue with pubs opening on Xmas Day?

Why should this be an issue.

People should be free to make choices.

I think if the law was loosened that the majority of pubs would not be open anyway.
Look how money pubs close early on Christmas Eve.

An awful lot of pubs don't open on Stephen's Day or open for restricted hours.

El Weirdo

daheff wrote: »

one question

Now that we can buy drink on good friday, does it mean we dont have to eat fish too (cos i fcking hate fish)??

In case you're not joking, there is no law preventing you from eating meat on Good Friday.

daheff

Mr.H wrote: »

We live in a country that has many cultures living in it. Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Yet they are forced to take the day off?

People are also forced to take other bank holidays off....but i dont hear the non-religious types complaining over that.

its a bank holiday because a large proportion of the population celebrate a religious feast. Its not just for those who celebrate the feast day.

If you don't want paid days off then I really dont know.

murpho999

daheff wrote: »

one question

Now that we can buy drink on good friday, does it mean we dont have to eat fish too (cos i fcking hate fish)??

If you're following Catholic doctrine then you're supposed to abstain from alcohol and fast from meat. It used to be full fasting but apparently God has modernised .

So the issue is that the state has made a law secular and that does not change the doctrine of a religion and its followers which is how it should be.

So if you're religious you still can't drink this Good Friday but the state is not stopping you from doing so.

seamus

Mr.H wrote: »

Absolutely none.

If I own a bar I should be able to open if I want to. I don think that employers should be fair on staff and ask people if they want to work rather than force (on Christmas day anyway) but I see no reason why any business should be forced to shut.

I know shops that are open on Christmas day. Call Centers. Emergency services work. Taxi drivers work. Why cant anyone else?

We live in a country that has many cultures living in it. Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Yet they are forced to take the day off?

This.

The notion that bar staff need special protection from unscrupulous employers is ridiculous.

If anything, there are plenty of families in this country who would rather certain members of their family pissed off to the pub on Xmas day rather than hang around the house getting drunk.

splinter65

jonnycivic wrote: »

Well your brother has told you a bunch of lies because as pointed out to you already the bank time was 30 minutes per pay check not 1 hour and there was no such thing as a day off on December 8th for public servants, this is coming from a long standing public servant

Ok so I’m going to take the word of some stranger on the Internet over my own brother.
He obviously had a better shop steward than you, kept their terms and conditions, so what?

splinter65

daheff wrote: »

one question

Now that we can buy drink on good friday, does it mean we dont have to eat fish too (cos i fcking hate fish)??

No you absolutely have to continue eating fish, not only on Good Friday but every Friday.
It’s the law of the land and if your spotted in the supermarket buying steak or sneaking into Macdonalds you’ll be arrested and might go down for a nice long stretch.

Mr.H

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Along with 'R' Revenue and the law they are more relevant to licensing the sale of alcohol than the Catholic Church.

If you dont know the influence the Catholic Church had in Ireland in the last 100 years then you have absolute zero idea of what you are talking about

Mr.H

daheff wrote: »

People are also forced to take other bank holidays off....but i dont hear the non-religious types complaining over that.

its a bank holiday because a large proportion of the population celebrate a religious feast. Its not just for those who celebrate the feast day.

If you don't want paid days off then I really dont know.

You are not paid to have good friday off (not statutory)

weldoninhio

splinter65 wrote: »

Ok so I’m going to take the word of some stranger on the Internet over my own brother.
He obviously had a better shop steward than you, kept their terms and conditions, so what?

It's really not that hard to look up and get a definitive answer.

The Civil Service Arbitration Board (CSAB) has ruled that there is no basis for acceding to the request for extra annual leave from a union representing civil servants as they had formally agreed to the abolition of the “bank time” allowance back in 2011.

The allowance was first introduced during the 1970s but in recognition that most civil servants subsequently had their salaries paid electronically, an agreement to abolish it was reached in 2011 as part of the Croke Park Agreement.

Circular Letter 06/2011 to Personnel Officers: The two Privilege Days which staff have received on an annual basis will now cease to
apply in the civil service and are being formally withdrawn accordingly. Under revised
arrangements all civil service grades will have their annual leave allowance increased by
two days and this increase will take effect from the annual leave year 2011/2012.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Mr.H wrote: »

The Church of Ireland is a protestant religion.

No it's not.

ShooterSF

As an atheist and a bartender I'm still a little sad. One day outside of xmas where you knew all the staff were off and could do a team night. Yes we get other days off, that was never the issue. Even on our year end party someone has to miss out to keep the ship sailing. As for the religious aspect I'm in complete agreement that the origin of the day off is a terrible reason but what it became was enjoyable. Likewise we should be open xmas day too for secular reasons but in that case most will accept that the origin of the day off is irrelevant now as it has a secular benefit too.

daheff

Mr.H wrote: »

(on Christmas day anyway) but I see no reason why any business should be forced to shut.

I know shops that are open on Christmas day. Call Centers. Emergency services work. Taxi drivers work. Why cant anyone else?

We live in a country that has many cultures living in it. Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Yet they are forced to take the day off?

daheff wrote: »

People are also forced to take other bank holidays off....but i dont hear the non-religious types complaining over that.

its a bank holiday because a large proportion of the population celebrate a religious feast. Its not just for those who celebrate the feast day.

If you don't want paid days off then I really dont know.

Mr.H wrote: »

You are not paid to have good friday off (not statutory)

You are misrepresenting my post. I did not comment about good friday. YOU mentioned Christmas & being forced to take time off over it even though not everybody celebrates it. I posted about that.

Christmas is a bank holiday and people are entitled to be paid bank holiday pay for this day whether you like it or not.

jimgoose

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

No it's not.

It's both Protestant, a.k.a. "Reformed", and Catholic.

Mutant z

Don't drink so it won't impact me either way but it was a silly law to have in the first place if people want to drink on good Friday then they should be allowed to and now they can, very few took it seriously anyway i doubt anyone but a tiny few are really that bothered about this.

Ragnar Lothbrok

ShooterSF wrote: »

As an atheist and a bartender I'm still a little sad. One day outside of xmas where you knew all the staff were off and could do a team night. Yes we get other days off, that was never the issue. Even on our year end party someone has to miss out to keep the ship sailing. As for the religious aspect I'm in complete agreement that the origin of the day off is a terrible reason but what it became was enjoyable. Likewise we should be open xmas day too for secular reasons but in that case most will accept that the origin of the day off is irrelevant now as it has a secular benefit too.

Very well put! And finally a bit of sanity on this thread

jimgoose

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Very well put! And finally a bit of sanity on this thread

For the record, speaking as an enthusiastic pint-lofter of many decades, I don't think having the pubs shut on Good Friday did any harm.