A Little Pony wrote: » Irish people need to stop drinking, not being encouraged to drink more. One of the worst problems with the country is the drinking culture.
splinter65 wrote: » My brother was in since 1979. Those were the conditions he started with, and finished with.
murpho999 wrote: » Who was discussing that? The fact remains they did not invent alcohol as claimed by the poster.
weldoninhio wrote: » And yet, in European terms we are mid table in alcohol consumption and falling year on year. I’m shook now, don't know whether to believe an internet kook or the cold hard facts.
whisky_galore wrote: » Ah sure we're grand so. All the lost shoes, vomit and p1ss on the street I see on Sunday morning must be my imagination so.
Deleted User wrote: » One thing i would have done is to extend the Christmas day closure until 12.30pm on Stephens Day to stop the ridiculous nonsense that happened in Donegal of nightclubs opening just after midnight. The workers in that case should have had the right to fully enjoy their day off.
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » This didn't and couldn't happen. It's illegal already. The ban on christmas day covers the licensing period for that licence day, not the 24 hours of December 25th. The licence for the day, if a normal trading monday would have been 10.30am to 11.30pm. Any trade past 11.30pm would require applying for, being granted, and paying for an extension for their licenced hours for the licence day December 25th, which is not possible to do.
CeilingFly wrote: » there's always an Irish solution. the club in Glenties in Donegal applied to open early on St Stephen's day - At exactly 12.01am
rainbowtrout wrote: » Schools are not off on the 8th. If a school chooses to close on the 8th, they have to make the day up in the school calendar, usually by coming back a day earlier in August.
SPDUB wrote: » The Church never demanded it in the first place . It was the brainchild of some holier than thou TD's .
seamus wrote: » You'll see them on the streets of every capital in every country on a Sunday morning. The Irish have an issue with how we drink - we tend to drink a lot in one go - but this is actually compounded by laws like the Good Friday one and closing times which tell us that drinking is actually a shameful, dirty thing, which should only be done in designated places and times. So we binge drink because the Mrs. Lovejoys of Ireland keep telling us that having a glass of wine with your lunch is what dipsos do, and if you open a bottle of beer as soon as you get home from work, you must be a big dirty alcoholic. And if you drink in front of your kids, well then you're nearly as bad as a paedophile. Why can't you drink in the darkened corner of a pub like normal people?
uptherebels wrote: » ya cause a law brought in, in 1927 ireland, banning alcohol on a religious day had nothing to do with the church:rolleyes:
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Laws don’t create culture, unless they are prohibitive and then over time ( I.e drink driving in Ireland).
splinter65 wrote: » Yeah, the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth went on long into the night Princess.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » In short we can’t change the laws on closing times and expect people to go “oh. More time to drink, I’ll be responsible like the Europeans”. Won’t happen.
vicwatson wrote: » Still not going pub but the good thing is if I want to I can. And not be dictated to by the RCC
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Itssoeasy wrote: » Well the fact that one TD described himself as a catholic first and an irishman second shows how big a grip the church had over this country. I was told by a man in his 70s, that in Ireland at one point it was the the GAA, the catholic church, and FF that ruled the country.
At the 1948 general election de Valera was ousted and replaced by a multi-party coalition under Taoiseach John A Costello. This was the government that formally proclaimed the Republic in 1949. One of the new government’s first acts was to send a telegram to the Pope desiring "to repose at the feet of Your Holiness the assurance of our filial loyalty and our devotion to your August Person, as well as our firm resolve to be guided in all our work by the teaching of Christ and to strive for the attainment of social order in Ireland based on Christian principles."
seamus wrote: » So you agree with me then, that Ireland's prohibitive drinking laws which have been in place for a long time, have shaped our drinking culture. Great.
Hoboo wrote: » They didn't invent education or healthcare either, but religious orders provided both and continue to do so at levels the state would never have been able to provide on its own.
Mr.H wrote: » Actually studies have proved that it would change the way people think over time. In fact the UK have already started to change. They are still a long way from fixing their booze culture but they sure are on the way. Their is also proof that changing laws and giving more freedom leads to a maturing of the public. Look at countries where they have legalised certain or all drugs and how it has started to change the mentality of the public. You point is just completely wrong
Birdie Num Num wrote: » I presume you mean the Catholic Church when you say RCC. The 'R' was somewhat of an additive post reformation that suited some.
And again it was not dictated by the Church it was Irish law since 1927 that had it's influence in the Church.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » There's nothing wrong with describing the Catholic Church based in Rome as the RCC. Other non-Roman churches are nonetheless Catholic. Have a look at the Church of Ireland website, they describe themselves as 'Catholic and Reformed'. This means that Protestants are also Catholics, just not Roman Catholics!...
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » I clearly am not agreeing with you. Even with your out of context text it’s clear I meant that prohibitive laws can affect the culture over time by reducing the instances of drink driving. You are claiming the opposite. That prohibitive laws cause a culture of drinking. However you know that since there was more text, wasn’t there?
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Of course it wasn't dictated by them, we didn't live in a theocracy but in a democracy with a hell of a lot of theocratic features. John Charles McQuaid said jump, and successive taoisigh said how high.
