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What are your views on contraception?

Cabaal

I'm not looking for this to turn into any sort of abortion thread, I'm more curious about various christian groups and their views on contraception. This is related to the topic of the 8th but I don't want to see it derailed.

So, what christian religion are you and what are your views on contraception?
Do you believe the use of condoms, female condoms etc should be acceptable?, what are your views on the morning after pill?

If you are against contraception then what are your solutions to stop unplanned pregnancy's?
Also what are your views in relation to a married couple where one of the partners has aids, do you still think condom use in this situation is wrong?

Do you think that your religion (in cases of Catholics...the Vatican for example) should change with the needs and times and change its views on contraception?

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dr.fuzzenstein

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Not everything is contained in the Bible. God has given us the gift of Reason, and in fact all God's law is written in your heart.

Very good point. Your gift of reason seems to arrive at some bizarre conclusions however.
My gift of reason tells me that a child like, blind following of just one religion is a bad thing.
Today a person has to inform themselves about as many spiritual, philosophical and scientific sources as possible and draw their own conclusions.
The time where we let our lives be dictated by religion are over. We will never get this innocence back. Thank your deity of choice for that.
Because who made religion? People. What do people want? To control and exploit other people. Religion is a fantastic tool for that, you can literally tell people not to have a ****.

For my own personal beliefs, I asked my guiding light, the FSM and it said "dude, just be good to other people and let your actions only bring goodness unto them".
I like my god. May look a little funky, but is always chill.

pauldla

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Such activity does not even occur in the animal kingdom.

It does, as it happens. Have you never kept a dog, for example?

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

eviltwin wrote:

A blow job isn't selfish, quite the opposite I would have thought.

Such activity does not even occur in the animal kingdom.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

mfceiling wrote:

What if a man ejaculates during foreplay?

If it is accidental, no problem. If by design, problem. The main point is that the seed is sacred.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

ahusband wrote:

@owneybaloney, as per my fathers words of wisdom, if God is all forgiving he will forgive me when I get there, so I'll enjoy myself now thank you very much.

I'm sorry but this is not the case. You must ask God to forgive you now, and try not to sin again. Of course you will fall, as the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. But you must again seek repentence from the Lord. You can do this verbally, but ideally confession is best.
No unrepentant sinner shall enter the Kingdom of God.

Spider Rico

This thread cannot be serious?! I’ve rarely read such nonsense!

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

koumi wrote:

I've no denomination (maybe lean more toward revivalist/evangelical/Pentecostal, although I've a special love for The Holy Mother which is about all I've retained from my catholic upbringing). I've an adult daughter who's been with her partner for seven years, they live together and are as much as married as any other couple would be under law. They have both been in college for the last four/five years so marriage has not been anything close to being a realistic consideration. (Thank God) However, she has been on the contraceptive pill since her late teens to help moderate her cycle which had always been a medical issue for her, the fact that it also operates as a contraceptive was neither here nor there and I don't think she would choose to be on it where it not for the fact that it regulates her period. We both know that her chances of conceiving might be low as a result of the contributing condition and to be honest, it's almost as if that's a relief for her. She has no particular desire to have kids and her body has naturally taken that position. So in a way, in contrast to the post above, (and probably almost as extreme) I think if there's a natural plateauing of childbirth or desire or ability to procreate, then maybe that's the way it should be. (as in, maybe that's the way God wants it)

If she wants the gift of a child, both husband and wife should pray to God the Father for it as they make intercourse. It will happen. God has promised it.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Gleefulprinter wrote:

Owney, fondling with the hands is ok as long as you finish up front?

Yes.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

wench wrote:

So is masturbation ok for women then?

No. The fondling must be with a husband or wife. The pleasuring must not be selfish to self, but a total giving to the other.

mfceiling

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Foreplay is of course allowed, both man and woman are entitled to pleasure each other.

What if a man ejaculates during foreplay?

*asking for a friend*

_Brian

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Confession is an encounter with the Lord.

Thank you for conceding so graciously.
In time you will come to see that the dogged fierce implementation of the wording of the scripture is against its spirit, such as this current stance you are taking.

I know for fact if you sit through a marriage prep class given by ACCORD that no such strict stance is taken by all members of the church.

ahusband

@owneybaloney, as per my fathers words of wisdom, if God is all forgiving he will forgive me when I get there, so I'll enjoy myself now thank you very much.

koumi

I've no denomination (maybe lean more toward revivalist/evangelical/Pentecostal, although I've a special love for The Holy Mother which is about all I've retained from my catholic upbringing).
I've an adult daughter who's been with her partner for seven years, they live together and are as much as married as any other couple would be under law. They have both been in college for the last four/five years so marriage has not been anything close to being a realistic consideration. (Thank God) However, she has been on the contraceptive pill since her late teens to help moderate her cycle which had always been a medical issue for her, the fact that it also operates as a contraceptive was neither here nor there and I don't think she would choose to be on it where it not for the fact that it regulates her period. We both know that her chances of conceiving might be low as a result of the contributing condition and to be honest, it's almost as if that's a relief for her. She has no particular desire to have kids and her body has naturally taken that position. So in a way, in contrast to the post above, (and probably almost as extreme) I think if there's a natural plateauing of childbirth or desire or ability to procreate, then maybe that's the way it should be. (as in, maybe that's the way God wants it)

endacl

Don't have the wherewithal to even begin to take the piss out of that one, and for that reason...

Doltanian

I am 100% against it for societal reasons, women are becoming too lazy and too selfish to have children and this will cause the indigenous Irish to die out in our own country when women are not having enough children.

The birth control pill and abortion should both be banned and a huge host of tax and welfare measures be introduced to promote more births including a tax on childless couples who choose not to have children outside of valid medical reasons. Controversial yes but it’s just common sense whatever the godless liberals and their disgusting dogma of political correctness might say.

endacl

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Not everything is contained in the Bible.

It sure isn't!

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

God has given us the gift of Reason, and in fact all God's law is written in your heart.

Translation: We can make stuff up that makes no rational sense whatsoever.

Spider Rico

Oweny is trolling....which is specifically forbidden and he must confess

Gleefulprinter

Owney, fondling with the hands is ok as long as you finish up front?

wench

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

God killed Onan because he spilled the seed. Of course sexual pleasure without the intention of creating a pregnancy isn't bad. The sin is in the spilling of the seed.

So is masturbation ok for women then?

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Fuzzytrooper wrote:

I would strongly disagree with you there. While there is no mention of the internet in the Bible we can pretty easily determine based on scriptures describing sex within marriage that downloading child porn is wrong.

Of course it's wrong. In fact all pornography is wrong. It's a debasement of women and leads to severe depression.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

sbs2010 wrote:

God killed the guy, so that proves masturbation or withdrawal before ejaculation is bad, is that the idea? Or that having sexual pleasure with no intention of creating a pregnancy is bad?

God killed Onan because he spilled the seed. Of course sexual pleasure without the intention of creating a pregnancy isn't bad. The sin is in the spilling of the seed.

Nekarsulm

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Fair enough. God has given you free will to decide as you wish. I am speaking the Truth. Think carefully.

"I am speaking the Truth"

Are you claiming to be God?

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Itssoeasy wrote:

So are the people who preach that god is a merciful and loving one wrong then ?

God is merciful and loving as long as one repents.

Fuzzytrooper

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Not everything is contained in the Bible. God has given us the gift of Reason, and in fact all God's law is written in your heart.

I would strongly disagree with you there. While there is no mention of the internet in the Bible we can pretty easily determine based on scriptures describing sex within marriage that downloading child porn is wrong.

Fuzzytrooper

_Brian wrote: »

I think we’re seeing some serious and vigorous interpretations here.

In places scripture says an eye for an eye, if we take every single word literally there would be a hell of allot of blind people bumbling about, and yet there aren’t, because not every word needs to be taken literally, even the church see that would be foolish.

Not to derail things but some issues people have with literal interpretations of passages may be to a lack of understanding of context. For example, an eye for an eye isn't about revenge. It was mainly concerned with stopping a claims culture so for example if you borrow your neighbours oxen to plow your field and they die, your neighbour is only entitled to an equivalent replacement. They can't go and demand a full here back

SusieBlue

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Partly.

Can I ask why you are so against it?

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Fuzzytrooper wrote:

For the acts you are objecting to, can you point me to scriptures that indicate they are wrong in the context of a husband and wife in loving relationship? In Acts 17 the Apostle Paul commended the Bereans because even with the very message of salvation, they went away and diligently studied the scriptures to see if what Paul said was true. As Christians we have a responsibility to back up our claims from the Bible so I'd like to understand the context for your objections.

Not everything is contained in the Bible. God has given us the gift of Reason, and in fact all God's law is written in your heart.

sbs2010

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Did you ever hear of onanism?

Not before this evening. Ive looked it up -

God killed the guy, so that proves masturbation or withdrawal before ejaculation is bad, is that the idea? Or that having sexual pleasure with no intention of creating a pregnancy is bad?

Is that not reading a bit more into it than is really there? Onan disobeyed his father and refused to follow the law/tradition. That's why God killed him. The specifics of the act he used to disobey aren't relevant.

If I shoot and kill someone and God says that was bad, is it the firing of the gun or the murder that God is upset with?

Itssoeasy

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

Fear God and give glory to Him,
For the hour of His Judgement has come.
And worship Him who made Heaven and Earth and the seas,
And the fountains of waters.

So are the people who preach that god is a merciful and loving one wrong then ?

Fuzzytrooper

n57oxds38gt6cz wrote: »

You are a child of God. Do you know what this means? You are to show restraint in sexual matters, just as with food, or drink. You are to be moderate in all your actions, and not give in to base desires.

For the acts you are objecting to, can you point me to scriptures that indicate they are wrong in the context of a husband and wife in loving relationship? In Acts 17 the Apostle Paul commended the Bereans because even with the very message of salvation, they went away and diligently studied the scriptures to see if what Paul said was true. As Christians we have a responsibility to back up our claims from the Bible so I'd like to understand the context for your objections.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on all points e.g. porn bad etc.