km79 wrote: » I thought we were not going to be penalised for not signing up Only penalised if we took Ind action and thus repudiated it
Sir123 wrote: » I think we'll know more tomorrow Km79. Increments will be frozen until 2020 and pay rises may be delayed or not given provided we remained unsigned to the agreement. I'm not sure if we will be any worse off if we repudiate (i.e. take strike action and not do Croke Park hours). I'm sure Pascal and Bruton will make it clear to us by the weekend.
km79 wrote: » We never signed up to lra 1 but got the "benefits " when Ind action was lifted ?
km79 wrote: I thought we were not going to be penalised for not signing up Only penalised if we took Ind action and thus repudiated it
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Govt have once again changed the goal posts to suit themselves.
Sir123 wrote: » Here's the article published yesterday. I say we show them who's boss..https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1107/918232-public-service-bill/
Mardy Bum wrote: » It reads as scare tactics prior to CEC meeting and voting to continue suspension of strike action. They want us to suspend IA so I doubt they will deduct us further unless we begin IA.
Sir123 wrote: » Can I ask, seen as it wasn't published by ASTI, was the yes vote to remain with the suspension of industrial action close? It would be interesting to know as we've a very divided union at present.
acequion wrote: » There was no motion put forward to lift the suspension of IA. While we might well feel like telling the Govt where to go, everyone realises that we would gain nothing and stand to lose more if IA was lifted. Therefore the motion debated was on continuing the suspension to give the talks every chance especially since INTO and TUI are already committed to those talks. The motion also read that in the event of an unsatisfactory outcome a joint campaign with our sister unions could then be considered. That motion was overwhelmingly carried. In fairness it's a reasonable strategy and a few pages back that very strategy was suggested by the poster joebloggs, I think. A poster, who if I'm not mistaken,is TUI. Just as he suggested, it's a lot smarter to let LPTs get some more cash [if we're not penalised for rejecting] and keep the nuclear option in reserve for a more opportune moment later in the school year. But as for our divisions, yes, most unfortunately we are very divided. People need to be very cognisant of that.
evolving_doors wrote: » Later in the school year means into orals/practicals/mocks/final prep for June. A lot of teachers would rather eat there own hand than disrupt this. As with last year, the most opportune time was november. I suspect the govt. thinks this way too.
gavwaldo wrote: » For those who know people...... any chance the 3 unions are actually talking to each other behind the scenes before these "talks"? Or are they all biting off their noses to spite their paying union members faces ?
MrJones1973 wrote: » Drift and more drift from asti
judeboy101 wrote: » I think they are hoping we all forget it
Sir123 wrote: » I hope that's certainly not the case. Government have to give clarity on the issue within three months as far as I'm aware. If this outcome is unsatisfactory, I'm hoping, around convention time, a motion towards strike action after Easter holidays is put forward. All unions would need to be on the same page however. There's one thing I've noticed in the last few weeks and that's the media attention. In a way, this could be classed as a good thing, but deep down I know the government are going to do squat for pay equality. They're too much of a dictator. I hope that teachers regain some stand in the coming weeks as the working conditions are also being severly eroded as the weeks go by. I love my job, I love to teach but I don't love being made a fool of. And as a LPT, that certainly is happening.
acequion wrote: » ASTI has gone meek though. Much chastened by recent failed campaigns and the loss of members, I think. Therefore now is the time for ordinary members to put huge pressure on the union leaders to up the ante. Go to your branch meetings, bombard your CEC reps and basically demand action. Demand that the leaders of the three unions prepare a joint strategy. I,too am hoping that convention will kick start something and I totally agree that it's the perfect time of year to force a result. We have given in on everything. We just CANNOT give in on pay equalisation!
Darwin wrote: » I'm in third level (TUI) and head office is asking us once again to lobby TD's in relation to pay equalisation issue for teachers, so something at least is happening. My last few lobby emails got the usual bland replies from all my local TDs, none of whom opposed the 2017 Public Service Pay and Pensions bill. Also, I have heard the government is withholding pay restoration (due this month) for unions who are outside the PSSA, despite the assertion from ASTI that they are not repudiating the agreement and that all members are covered by it. If the former is true, I would hope that croke park hours and third level flex hours are immediately pulled.
deiseindublin wrote: » I can't ever see the TUI pulling anything. They just keep cutting ribbons and telling us they're working in the background.
judeboy101 wrote: » any idea if the new Assistant principal 1 and 2 jobs are paid at the same rate as the old assistant principal/special duties posts rates?
ccazza wrote: » They are. All previous Assistant Principals posts and Special Duties posts are being renamed AP 1 and AP 2. Remuneration remains the same.
Sir123 wrote: » A few interesting motions coming up at convention 2018, especially motions 2 & 8 for all us LPTs. Nuacht Feb 2018 has the list of motions that will be debated.https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/nuacht-no-1-2018-convention-special/
